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From: "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>
To: наб <nabijaczleweli@nabijaczleweli.xyz>
Cc: Seth McDonald <sethmcmail@pm.me>,
	Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>,
	linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] src/bin/sman: Add script
Date: Wed, 28 Jan 2026 16:31:51 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260128223151.tkp6urusx7wtrpyo@illithid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <tl5pjzy56c5f4ce5smzbvjlbiblld6vjhrcg3u5ahmcvphgnur@tarta.nabijaczleweli.xyz>

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At 2026-01-28T23:02:24+0100, наб wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 28, 2026 at 01:07:30PM -0600, G. Branden Robinson wrote:
> > B) (While the foregoing discusses GNU Bash specifically, I have
> >    read--but not seen a proof, and can't promise that I'd understand
> >    a proof if I saw one--that POSIX shell is undecidable as well,
> >    the "alias" feature being a sufficient condition to produce
> >    thus.)
> 
> If, AIUI, "undecidable" in this case means "the parser depends on the
> execution of the program being parsed", then alias is sufficient do
> ensure this property, but I think it's the only feature that lets you
> inject macros into the parser, or otherwise interact with it directly
> like this.

That sounds plausible to me, and consistent with my occasional,
undisciplined, and inadequate research on the topic.

Shall we organize a movement to get "alias" taken out of POSIX
202y/203x?  I don't care if implementations keep it around, but it sure
seems like a dreadful thing for the standard to _mandate_.

Regards,
Branden

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-28 22:31 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-27  9:20 [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] New sman(1) script Seth McDonald
2026-01-27  9:20 ` [RFC PATCH v1 1/2] src/bin/sman: Add script Seth McDonald
2026-01-28 16:52   ` наб
2026-01-28 17:19     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-28 19:07     ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-01-28 22:02       ` наб
2026-01-28 22:31         ` G. Branden Robinson [this message]
2026-01-27  9:20 ` [RFC PATCH v1 2/2] man/man1/sman.1: Add man page Seth McDonald
2026-01-27 13:47 ` [RFC PATCH v1 0/2] New sman(1) script Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-28  4:44   ` Seth McDonald
2026-01-28  5:48     ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-01-28 14:36       ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-28 14:47     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-28 18:55 ` [PATCH v2] src/bin/mansectf, man/man1/mansectf.1: Add program and manual page Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-29  5:50   ` Seth McDonald
2026-01-29 11:27     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-29 14:31     ` New PARAMETERS section in manual pages (was: [PATCH v2] src/bin/mansectf, man/man1/mansectf.1: Add program and manual page) Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-29 20:24       ` G. Branden Robinson
2026-01-29 22:06         ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-01-29 22:20           ` G. Branden Robinson

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