From: "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>
To: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: funsafemath <funsafemath@proton.me>,
linux-man@vger.kernel.org, groff@gnu.org
Subject: weird but successful *roff comment syntax (was: [PATCH] man/man2/seccomp_unotify.2: Document SECCOMP_IOCTL_NOTIF_SET_FLAGS and SECCOMP_USER_NOTIF_FD_SYNC_WAKE_UP)
Date: Mon, 18 May 2026 06:24:19 -0500 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260518112419.32vn34flgttpcba4@illithid> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <agrlIOYqEMDSdIFK@devuan>
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Hi Alex,
At 2026-05-18T12:24:25+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> > +.\"
> > +.SS SECCOMP_IOCTL_NOTIF_SET_FLAGS
> > +The
> > +.B SECCOMP_IOCTL_NOTIF_SET_FLAGS
> > +operation (available since Linux 6.6)
> > +\." commit 48a1084a8b7423642b5f17ca6202f6f277c5392b
>
> Typo; you meant .\"
> It's also repeated below.
>
> Interestingly, this seems to also hide it as a comment, although
> troff(1) prints a warning saying that something is wrong:
>
> alx@devuan:~/tmp$ cat comment.man
> .TH comment 7 2026-05-18 experiments
> .SH Name
> comment \- trying different comments
> .SH Description
> Here goes one comment:
> .\" foo
> Comment ended.
> .P
> Here goes another comment?
> \." bar
> Comment ended.
> alx@devuan:~/tmp$ groff -Tutf8 -man -rCHECKSTYLE=3 -rLL=64n -ww comment.man
> troff:comment.man:10: warning: name '"' not defined
> comment(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual comment(7)
>
> Name
> comment - trying different comments
>
> Description
> Here goes one comment: Comment ended.
>
> Here goes another comment? Comment ended.
>
> experiments 2026‐05‐18 comment(7)
>
> I'm curious about what happens in the roff(7) language for this to
> work as a comment.
Strictly, that input line is not treated as a comment. The formatter
treats the line
\." commit 48a1084a8b7423642b5f17ca6202f6f277c5392b
as a call of an undefined macro named '"'. Yes, just the double quote.
In *roff, any printable character is valid in an identifier.
https://www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/groff.html.node/Identifiers.html
(Using the *roff escape character in an identifier name requires a trick
or two, though.)
Arguments to undefined macros are discarded. To be Hermes Conrad-grade
correct, not by the formatter itself, but by the automatically created
empty macro definition that does nothing with them.
https://www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/groff.html.node/Writing-Macros.html
The input therefore operates much like the following.
."
Why didn't the leading backslash break this?
5.24.2 Copy Mode
----------------
...
-- Escape sequence: \.
'\.' quotes the control character. It is used to permit nested
macro definitions to end without a named macro call to conclude
them. Without a syntax for quoting the control character, this
would not be possible.
.de m1
foo
. de m2
bar
\\..
..
.m1
.m2
=> foo bar
...
https://www.gnu.org/software/groff/manual/groff.html.node/Copy-Mode.html
(If you attempt a nested macro definition in a man(7) document, I cannot
offer any guarantee of your safety when Ingo Schwarze finds out.)
Because I endeavor always to reach greater heights of explanatory
precision, I must acknowledge that `\.` is not a true escape sequence.
It is _quotation_ syntax. In a grammar that possesses context,
"escaping" and "quoting" move in opposite directions through nested
contextual scopes. The founders of Unix pulled a sly trick on us all by
routinely using the same item of punctuation for both operations, like a
gear selector for an automatic transmission that uses the same position
for "drive" and "reverse".
But that's okay. If you get something wrong while driving the PDP-11
Unixmobile, your car will either explode, stop, or an electrical relay
will loudly clunk and a giant amber "?" will appear on your otherwise
instrument-free dashboard.
In any case your journey is over.
In the patch you quoted, the line
\." commit 48a1084a8b7423642b5f17ca6202f6f277c5392b
did _not_ occur in a copy mode context, so the formatter quietly
discarded the backslash and interpreted '.' as the control character
just as it does in "interpretation mode".
Should this discard be so quiet? I think not.
I spitballed a relevant idea in Savannah #62776.[1] In comment #27,
Dave Kemper helpfully summarized several that I had, some of which are
now at risk of being lost since the ticket is closed. (Some have since
been implemented and are expected in 1.25.)
We see the following.
`\.` encountered in interpretation mode (comment #17)
In fact, in *roff there are so many ways to "do nothing" that in 1970s
Bell Labs CSRC documents, and on into the next decade before groff
showed up, you'll find a variety of approaches to commenting.
You can see another once-popular approach to commenting in rn(1).
https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=4.3BSD-Tahoe/usr/src/new/rn/rn.1
GNU troff, especially with warnings dialed up, is much more critical of
its input.
Regards,
Branden
[1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/?62776
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2026-05-18 10:24 ` Alejandro Colomar
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2026-05-18 12:16 ` weird but successful *roff comment syntax (was: [PATCH] man/man2/seccomp_unotify.2: Document SECCOMP_IOCTL_NOTIF_SET_FLAGS and SECCOMP_USER_NOTIF_FD_SYNC_WAKE_UP) Alejandro Colomar
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