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Branden Robinson" To: Sam James Cc: Alejandro Colomar , Joseph Myers , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic , Mark Harris , Nevin Liber , JeanHeyd Meneide , Christopher Bazley , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Douglas McIlroy Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Message-ID: <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <87a4r6es6k.fsf@gentoo.org> <87y0epdhxp.fsf@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="cwsoivffveyepjnz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87y0epdhxp.fsf@gentoo.org> --cwsoivffveyepjnz Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform MIME-Version: 1.0 Hi Sam & Alex, Just a quick note on conflicts on interest since I'm the one who dragged that label into the conversation--though the concept was implicitly present already. At 2026-08-01T15:38:42+0100, Sam James wrote: > Alejandro Colomar writes: > > FWIW, regarding the possible conflict of interest that was mentioned > > yesterday, I'll say that I don't get paid for my contributions to > > ISO C as a member of WG14. There's no benefit to me other than > > public recognition. I'll also disclose the exact quantity that I've > > been paid for maintaining the Linux man-pages project: >=20 > You can have a conflict of interest in responsibliity without money > being involved. In fact, I have never believed you were influenced by > money, Sam makes a good point, and Alex, I think you overlooked one. Disclosure of the quantity of your compensation as Linux man-pages maintainer is of less importance than _who_ sponsored your work. When we're speaking of currency, yes, quantity eventually has a quality all its own. But knowing who's been signing the checks is almost always the more valuable information because it tells us who is in a position to expect favorable treatment. Sometimes that's because the parties negotiate a quid pro quo, but more often sponsors can count on "self-regulation" by their beneficiaries. Money men understand that people's minds and uncritical loyalties can often be bought cheaply. Free your mind and something else will follow, I think someone said. Here's a backgrounder that's less antiseptic than a corporate ethics slide deck training module on conflicts of interest. https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-money-complaints-sparked= -resignation-fears-scotus Regards, Branden --cwsoivffveyepjnz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCAAdFiEEh3PWHWjjDgcrENwa0Z6cfXEmbc4FAmpuVKEACgkQ0Z6cfXEm bc4nmw//cNfWFD1AQhuts9bYkz5o4Oem5vvqEY+Ms+yj7CmUOa/+kR9kb7j03EF8 jRiW7mFXnEl+/Z/TJFzKaYdURi3xbTAGLRQG1Bc1jnx4IiLvnJ43oLwnW9rKqhdV QHgYOALEMb6vWiPN0kq9Jcy4UEiAkuSkIpDVPjeW0UNIuleZPlb/J8hhD39PCp+Z 92csg6SI/0iv6wjOq0eBsbh6fuuIOaclfKbtX/BN18UirHaM8p8RgGT9thwLF72W XXqo7NISKArDt5ZqL98O579uaEk7F6eimFLiGEasxuvFKLSw20R/PR03d+vDKgQI Gz8eh7xwQB7gIThDU2IuvnKWK2+TXqRB6Y8zewMVG9i4BBKIwUv61CRhtwit729r 5/+1jo3Z4cmTMH/Q+R45HSQ4PAhq8uDxRTxdUPZPG09/V7W0CZHbQf1w8imc905t Y1xHGJXQmlMPyU8y6RVROJ+ViOSaynX2NXFKDsu9GQCgnS9B+2j469Ml9OOUoHrC 9wUbmfqBhep2c+d2W/kk0miz0GAzq2/JAmeZbju4iFauccK7DI1ITUJbGwGIrOfT Mdei1ACdz++R8Jn39DqisciFgSazuDP4P8SQ5lSkF0LEbW8Fvn12AZE7uzI6dfhF O9Xa97VN0iRHjdZsdGqa7G30nt5ynDVY1vplw1Tsd3RxNJRzwiA= =K7I7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --cwsoivffveyepjnz--