From: Deri <deri@chuzzlewit.myzen.co.uk>
To: linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Brian.Inglis@shaw.ca
Cc: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: No 6.05/.01 pdf book available
Date: Sat, 12 Aug 2023 21:02:15 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <3258129.44csPzL39Z@pip> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <7f020624-ebc9-5eb8-b87f-8f954a8084a0@Shaw.ca>
On Saturday, 12 August 2023 18:02:24 BST Brian Inglis wrote:
> On 2023-08-07 17:14, Deri wrote:
> > On Monday, 7 August 2023 09:45:22 BST Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> >> Nevertheless, now I remember Deri told me he hardcoded a lot of stuff
> >> for 1.22.4 which should be removed after the release of 1.23.0, so it
> >> seems that the time has come to chop a lot of stuff from there.
> >>
> >> Deri, would you mind simplifying the scripts assuming a Build-dep of
> >> groff(>=1.23.0)?
> >
> > Hi Alex, Brian,
> >
> > I have done some work on building the pdf. One improvement is any warnings
> > output by groff, i.e. use of the deprecated .PDF macro, now identify the
> > particular man page and line number accurately.
> >
> > I have attached two new replacement LinuxManBook directories. The first,
> > 1.23.0, will run on a stock groff 1.23.0 system. The second, 1.23.0+, runs
> > with the latest gropdf which has a number of advantages for this project -
> > you will find the resulting pdf to be more than 5mb smaller, and the page
> > numbers in the overview pane match up with the page number at the bottom
> > of each page.
> >
> > The file NewGropdf.pdf contains description of some of the features in the
> > new gropdf.
> >
> > Both of these should continue to work if the groff version changes, thanks
> > to Brian's helpful suggestion to include /usr/share/groff/current in the
> > font path, but I have achieved this by specifying it in an -F flag rather
> > than patching gropdf.
>
> Nice work Deri!
>
> The official 6.05.01 book hyphenates words across page breaks more than
> standard 1.23.0 and new 1.23.0+ gropdf books.
Hi Brian,
I'd like to investigate this to understand why this is happening, please can
you give me example page numbers which illustrate this.
> File sizes are official 6.05.01 ~13.3MB, 200k more than standard 1.23.0
> ~13MB, which is >~5MB more than new 1.23.0+ gropdf <~8MB.
>
> I now see page footers on all pages!
>
> I noticed that new 1.23.0+ seems to set some lines, especially tables, a
> little tighter (perhaps because of space handling), but *only* the first
> page "intro(1)" has half the normal spacing from the page header to the
> first heading!
Yes, I can see the difference in intro(1) and I can see a bug in the version
of an.tmac I provided which may affect hyphenation. Also a page number example
of the tighter table would be helpful.
> [I also noticed that *poppler* `pdf2text -layout` (used to diff the content
> amd layout) prints the .SH NAME and options dashes as en-dash from the
> official 6.05.01 book, but prints minus from standard 1.23.0 and new
> 1.23.0+ gropdf.]
This is intentional (and probably desirable). The pdf has a mapping so that
the groff character \- is displayed as HYPHEN (U+0201) but when text is copy/
pasted from the pdf it is converted to HYPHEN-MINUS (U+002D) which is the
character you get when you hit hyphen on the keyboard. This means that if you
are copy/pasteing from examples in the man page which includes hyphens then
your shell will interpret it correctly.
> I notice a number of widows and orphans, but that may be the man macros or
> groff commands not checking for sufficient space left on the page before
> rendering text: allowing 4em before heading spacing, 3em before para
> spacing would probably help, at the cost of larger bottom margins; and
> groff footers need to allow extra space to prevent widows by allowing them
> to intrude.
This probably needs a bit of tender curation! Bear in mind that the
BuildLinuxMan.pl script uses the flags "-dpaper=a4 -P-pa4" so if the man page
author has designed for a different page size the widows/orphans may well be
different.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers
Deri
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Thread overview: 48+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-08-07 1:16 [PATCH] scripts/LinuxManBook/gropdf: use symlink instead of hard coded groff version Brian Inglis
2023-08-07 2:46 ` No 6.05/.01 pdf book available Brian Inglis
2023-08-07 8:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-07 9:16 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-07 16:21 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-12 0:02 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-12 1:48 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-08-12 21:32 ` Alejandro Colomar
[not found] ` <21975186.EfDdHjke4D@pip>
2023-08-11 23:51 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-12 3:04 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-08-12 21:33 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-12 17:02 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-12 20:02 ` Deri [this message]
2023-08-13 20:30 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-13 20:47 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-13 21:55 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-08-13 22:45 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-13 22:18 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-14 6:49 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-14 10:46 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-13 21:47 ` hyphens at ends of pages (was: No 6.05/.01 pdf book available) G. Branden Robinson
2023-08-14 5:28 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-14 16:06 ` No 6.05/.01 pdf book available Deri
2023-08-14 17:37 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-14 20:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-14 21:22 ` Deri
2023-08-14 21:32 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-14 23:26 ` Deri
2023-08-14 21:40 ` Deri
2023-08-15 0:50 ` groff features for hyperlinked man pages (was: No 6.05/.01 pdf book available) G. Branden Robinson
2023-08-15 10:34 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-08-18 13:50 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-19 4:37 ` G. Branden Robinson
2023-10-01 12:02 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-18 10:29 ` No 6.05/.01 pdf book available Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-15 0:34 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-20 16:48 ` Deri
2023-08-20 18:54 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-20 19:06 ` Brian Inglis
[not found] ` <3262525.44csPzL39Z@pip>
2023-08-21 22:02 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-21 23:10 ` Deri
2023-08-21 23:45 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-28 12:17 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-28 18:24 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-28 21:11 ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-07 8:29 ` [PATCH] scripts/LinuxManBook/gropdf: use symlink instead of hard coded groff version Alejandro Colomar
2023-08-07 15:01 ` Brian Inglis
2023-08-11 23:57 ` Alejandro Colomar
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