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([2001:a61:2467:2f01:faca:3d43:5e40:30d1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r7sm14997591wmh.2.2020.12.20.06.47.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 20 Dec 2020 06:47:42 -0800 (PST) Cc: mtk.manpages@gmail.com, =?UTF-8?B?0L3QsNCx?= , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Greg Kroah-Hartman , Stephen Hemminger , "David S . Miller" Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] filesystems.5: wfix: ntfs: remove FAT comparison To: Alejandro Colomar References: <20201218153036.25244-1-alx.manpages@gmail.com> <20201218153036.25244-4-alx.manpages@gmail.com> From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" Message-ID: <3354d6f2-be51-243d-d042-3a07bfb5df11@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2020 15:47:41 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20201218153036.25244-4-alx.manpages@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org Hello Alex and наб On 12/18/20 4:30 PM, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > From: наб > > The main point I was driving at with this patch was to fix > "Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems" (i.e. FAT filesystems which belong > to Microsoft Window, which is decidedly wrong). > > FAT32 first shipped with MS-DOS 7.1, as part of Windows 95 OSR2, > but it's a (relatively) simple logical extension of the previous FATx > filesystems (16 and 12 as we know and love them today, > I don't think the PC ever saw 8), hence the "VFAT" driver name ‒ > calling FAT-anything a Windows filesystem would be a flat-out lie, > calling it a Microsoft filesystem would be, uh, facetious. > > NTFS (as part of Windows NT), on the other hand, is wholly different > WRT the scope and feature-set (it does borrow some layouting from FAT, > but reading NTFS as FAT doesn't get you very far, or much). > > The replacing bit is also questionable, especially in a.d. 2020: > while it is true that you cannot install NT on FAT (after a certain > point? my memory ain't what it used to be), and must therefore > replace your existing FAT partitions with NTFS during upgrades; > Windows NT 4.0, the last product to be NT-branded came out in 1996, > i.e. you could not install Windows on FAT (and, therefore, > upgrade it to NTFS, replacing it) during my entire lifetime. > > Indeed, in $(date +%Y) we live in a post-NTFS world ‒ putting NTFS in > the same class as FAT beyond "is a filesystem" is a joke. > > Signed-off-by: Ahelenia Ziemiańska > Signed-off-by: Alejandro Colomar Thanks. Patch applied. I cleaned up the commit message a little (removed leading white spaces, formatted to 66 columns as per the man-pages norm). Cheers, Michael > --- > man5/filesystems.5 | 5 ++--- > 1 file changed, 2 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-) > > diff --git a/man5/filesystems.5 b/man5/filesystems.5 > index 71be05230..7f2e02096 100644 > --- a/man5/filesystems.5 > +++ b/man5/filesystems.5 > @@ -166,9 +166,8 @@ you need special programs, which can be found at > is the network filesystem used to access disks located on remote computers. > .TP > .B ntfs > -replaces Microsoft Window's FAT filesystems (VFAT, FAT32). > -It has reliability, performance, and space-utilization enhancements > -plus features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. > +is the filesystem native to Microsoft Windows NT, > +supporting features like ACLs, journaling, encryption, and so on. > .TP > .B proc > is a pseudo filesystem which is used as an interface to kernel data > -- Michael Kerrisk Linux man-pages maintainer; http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/ Linux/UNIX System Programming Training: http://man7.org/training/