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From: Daniel Borkmann <dborkman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Carsten Andrich
	<carsten.andrich-hs6bpBdVsEZfm0AUMx9V0g@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
	Willem de Bruijn
	<willemb-hpIqsD4AKlfQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Neil Horman <nhorman-2XuSBdqkA4R54TAoqtyWWQ@public.gmane.org>,
	jbrouer-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: Improving PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING documentation
Date: Mon, 19 May 2014 12:14:58 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5379D9A2.1070008@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <53798E97.1000505-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

Hi Carsten,

On 05/19/2014 06:54 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> On 05/17/2014 03:13 PM, Carsten Andrich wrote:
>> Hello again everyone,
>>
>> roughly 3 weeks ago the aftermath of an actually minor patch to fix an
>> inaccuracy in packet.7's PACKET_TX_RING-related documentation led me to
>> offer improving the entire PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING-documentation.
>> Since I do happen to have most of my spare time back by now, I'd like to
>> tackle this effort before I change my mind :)
>
> Thanks for following up!
>
>> On 04/24/2014 12:21 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>>> I'd leave that plan largely to you. It sounds like Willem and
>>> Daniel are willing to help out.
>>
>> I'd like to start with getting packet.7's documentation of
>> PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING into a shape, that should allow most readers to
>> actually use it without consulting packet_mmap.txt. The latter can be
>> quite confusing for those unfamiliar with PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING.
>>
>> I plan to do the following to packet.7:

     0. Perhaps a general writeup on how the RX/TX_RING works in Linux,
        it's layout, constraints etc. Btw, not sure if that's also
        included already, but the same mmap-technique exists also for
        netlink sockets.

>>       1. Increase detail of PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING socket options, including
>>          description of struct tpacket_hdr and anything else required to
>>          operate the ring.
>>       2. Move some details from other sockopts (e.g. PACKET_LOSS) into
>>          *_RING.
>>       3. Add fully functional example source code for simple
>>          PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING operation (initialization and operation).
>>          This may be as much as 3 different example programs if I
>>          incorporate [2] and [3] in an appropriate manner. It might be a
>>          good idea to add a non-*_RING example as well.

Yes, some examples for mmap RX, mmap TX, fanout, and perhaps TPACKET_V3
might be great.

>>       4. Add a warning about inferior _TX_RING performance [1] which I
>>          suffered from only recently in the measurements I made for my
>>          thesis on Linux 3.14.

Can you elaborate? Jesper made recently a nice summary on using trafgen
which uses TX_RING internally:

   http://netoptimizer.blogspot.ch/2014/04/trafgen-fast-packet-generator.html

>>       5. Other minor changes that'll come up while taking care of 1 thru
>>          4 :)

Absolutely, perhaps explaining differences from TPACKET_V1 -> V3 API and the like.

>> Any suggestions regarding this rough course of action?
>
> Well, I can't speak to the fine technical details, but the plan looks
> rational to me. Perhaps Neil, Willem, or Daniel has a comment.
>
> Just by the way, I suggest CCing netdeve-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org on all patches.
> It may be that someone else also comments.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2014-05-19 10:14 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-05-17 13:13 Improving PACKET_{RX,TX}_RING documentation Carsten Andrich
     [not found] ` <1400332406.2395.35.camel-FQO4gtnRtnzkVFMGpb/cPg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19  4:54   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]     ` <53798E97.1000505-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19 10:14       ` Daniel Borkmann [this message]
     [not found]         ` <5379D9A2.1070008-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19 15:05           ` Willem de Bruijn
     [not found]             ` <CA+FuTSeWh_iQGqc-4usL7vr28OrkHTnBvHvXvVO=LcGsNRgtMA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-19 16:01               ` Daniel Borkmann
2014-05-22 12:22               ` Carsten Andrich
2014-05-22 13:13                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2014-05-22 13:37                 ` Jesper Dangaard Brouer
2014-05-22 14:51                 ` Willem de Bruijn
     [not found]                   ` <CA+FuTSfpORKtm_kdG+CycoPiq+Gxf58=nXqKApFEmR+xZs69_g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2014-05-26 10:49                     ` Carsten Andrich

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