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From: Denys Vlasenko <dvlasenk-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
To: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)"
	<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Vegard Nossum
	<vegard.nossum-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	Quentin Casasnovas
	<quentin.casasnovas-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
Subject: Re: ptrace.2: BUGS (missing WIFEXITED notification)
Date: Thu, 14 May 2015 15:52:36 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5554A8A4.7060404@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5554A6B0.2090409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>

On 05/14/2015 03:44 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
> Hi Denys,
> 
> Do you have any thoughts on the below?

Yes, the poster is right: this part needs fixing, the behavior is
the same on any kind of process termination.


> On 05/12/2015 04:31 PM, Vegard Nossum wrote:
>> We hit another edge case in the ptrace() interface and after several
>> hours of chasing it down, we found that it was already described in the
>> "BUGS" section:
>>
>> "If a thread group leader is traced and exits by calling _exit(2), a

I think a possible fix is just to replace "exits by calling _exit(2)" part
of the above text with "terminates".

>> PTRACE_EVENT_EXIT stop will happen for it (if requested), but the
>> subsequent WIFEXITED notification will not be delivered until all other
>> threads exit. As explained above, if one of other threads calls
>> execve(2), the death of the thread group leader will never be reported.
>> If the execed thread is not traced by this tracer, the tracer will never
>> know that execve(2) happened. One possible workaround is to
>> PTRACE_DETACH the thread group leader instead of restarting it in this
>> case. Last confirmed on 2.6.38.6."
>>
>> I wanted to write that we've also noticed the same thing not only for
>> _exit() but also for terminating signals, however we also came across
>> this bit in the manual source:
>>
>> .\" Note from Denys Vlasenko:
>> .\" Here "exits" means any kind of death - _exit, exit_group,
>> .\" signal death. Signal death and exit_group cases are trivial,
>> .\" though: since signal death and exit_group kill all other threads
>> .\" too, "until all other threads exit" thing happens rather soon
>> .\" in these cases. Therefore, only _exit presents observably
>> .\" puzzling behavior to ptrace users: thread leader _exit's,
>> .\" but WIFEXITED isn't reported! We are trying to explain here
>> .\" why it is so.
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2015-05-14 13:52 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2015-05-12 14:31 ptrace.2: BUGS (missing WIFEXITED notification) Vegard Nossum
     [not found] ` <55520EAC.2010003-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 13:44   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]     ` <5554A6B0.2090409-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 13:52       ` Denys Vlasenko [this message]
     [not found]         ` <5554A8A4.7060404-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 16:28           ` Quentin Casasnovas
     [not found]             ` <20150514162807.GA13385-Cuu6V/XUcleLI2c71l+0mdkmqwFzkYv6@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 16:39               ` Denys Vlasenko
     [not found]                 ` <5554CFDF.6070602-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 16:50                   ` Quentin Casasnovas
     [not found]                     ` <20150514165031.GB13385-Cuu6V/XUcleLI2c71l+0mdkmqwFzkYv6@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 17:06                       ` Denys Vlasenko
     [not found]                         ` <5554D5F8.8050305-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-14 17:41                           ` Quentin Casasnovas
2015-05-15 10:12                   ` Vegard Nossum
     [not found]                     ` <5555C69A.3070509-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2015-05-15 12:05                       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                         ` <CAKgNAkixHtPEdmwuVhic8k2gz8ooLmW1rJ3760oWGUC07K-5hg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-06-18  6:49                           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]                             ` <55826A17.8000804-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-12 14:50                               ` Vegard Nossum
     [not found]                                 ` <57ADE23B.8050905-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-12 16:15                                   ` Denys Vlasenko
     [not found]                                     ` <864524d3-6a7f-9555-b4a4-eb4816c4da18-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-12 18:37                                       ` Vegard Nossum
     [not found]                                         ` <57AE1750.50303-QHcLZuEGTsvQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-08-12 19:11                                           ` Denys Vlasenko

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