From: Austin S Hemmelgarn <ahferroin7-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Tobias Markus <tobias-gyUQdkDHmHmHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>,
linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org
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Subject: Re: [PATCH] userns/capability: Add user namespace capability
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2015 10:24:59 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <5624FD3B.2050401@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <5622700C.9090107-gyUQdkDHmHmHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
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On 2015-10-17 11:58, Tobias Markus wrote:
> Add capability CAP_SYS_USER_NS.
> Tasks having CAP_SYS_USER_NS are allowed to create a new user namespace
> when calling clone or unshare with CLONE_NEWUSER.
>
> Rationale:
>
> Linux 3.8 saw the introduction of unpriviledged user namespaces,
> allowing unpriviledged users (without CAP_SYS_ADMIN) to be a "fake" root
> inside a separate user namespace. Before that, any namespace creation
> required CAP_SYS_ADMIN (or, in practice, the user had to be root).
> Unfortunately, there have been some security-relevant bugs in the
> meantime. Because of the fairly complex nature of user namespaces, it is
> reasonable to say that future vulnerabilties can not be excluded. Some
> distributions even wholly disable user namespaces because of this.
>
> Both options, user namespaces with and without CAP_SYS_ADMIN, can be
> said to represent the extreme end of the spectrum. In practice, there is
> no reason for every process to have the abilitiy to create user
> namespaces. Indeed, only very few and specialized programs require user
> namespaces. This seems to be a perfect fit for the (file) capability
> system: Priviledged users could manually allow only a certain executable
> to be able to create user namespaces by setting a certain capability,
> I'd suggest the name CAP_SYS_USER_NS. Executables completely unrelated
> to user namespaces should and can not create them.
>
> The capability should only be required in the "root" user namespace (the
> user namespace with level 0) though, to allow nested user namespaces to
> work as intended. If a user namespace has a level greater than 0, the
> original process must have had CAP_SYS_USER_NS, so it is "trusted" anyway.
>
> One question remains though: Does this break userspace executables that
> expect being able to create user namespaces without priviledge? Since
> creating user namespaces without CAP_SYS_ADMIN was not possible before
> Linux 3.8, programs should already expect a potential EPERM upon calling
> clone. Since creating a user namespace without CAP_SYS_USER_NS would
> also cause EPERM, we should be on the safe side.
Potentially stupid counter proposal:
Make it CAP_SYS_NS, make it allow access to all namespace types for
non-root/CAP_SYS_ADMIN users, and teach the stuff that's using userns
just to get to mount/pid/net/ipc namespaces to use those instead when
it's something that doesn't really need to think it's running as root.
While this would still add a new capability (which is arguably not a
good thing), the resultant capability would be significantly more useful
for many of the use cases.
Potentially more flame resistant counter proposal:
Write a simple LSM to allow selective usage of namespaces (IIRC, working
LSM stacking is in mainline now). While this is more complicated than
just adding a capability, it is also a lot more resilient from a long
term prospective.
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-10-19 14:24 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 21+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2015-10-17 15:58 [PATCH] userns/capability: Add user namespace capability Tobias Markus
[not found] ` <5622700C.9090107-gyUQdkDHmHmHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-17 20:17 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-18 20:13 ` Tobias Markus
[not found] ` <5623FD86.2030609-gyUQdkDHmHmHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-18 20:21 ` Richard Weinberger
[not found] ` <5623FF36.8080800-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-18 20:41 ` Tobias Markus
2015-10-18 20:48 ` Richard Weinberger
[not found] ` <56240599.3050903-/L3Ra7n9ekc@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-18 21:49 ` Tobias Markus
2015-10-18 22:06 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-19 0:28 ` Mike Frysinger
2015-10-17 21:55 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20151017215501.GA22900-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-18 20:13 ` Tobias Markus
[not found] ` <5623FD82.4030902-gyUQdkDHmHmHXe+LvDLADg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-19 1:41 ` Serge E. Hallyn
[not found] ` <20151019014112.GA1683-7LNsyQBKDXoIagZqoN9o3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-19 12:36 ` Yves-Alexis Perez
[not found] ` <1445258180.4099.18.camel-8fiUuRrzOP0dnm+yROfE0A@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-19 12:48 ` Richard Weinberger
2015-10-22 20:45 ` Eric W. Biederman
[not found] ` <87twpi63ai.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-22 21:02 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWKN+Uzw_TYqVTGatNZ3LT5RbSM1WuYPoXeKQs9Yw_qjg-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-22 21:44 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-10-19 14:24 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn [this message]
[not found] ` <5624FD3B.2050401-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-21 18:53 ` Andy Lutomirski
[not found] ` <CALCETrWfZ9hXvLPtJnZhU-ZdoUbYNo-QSydMPvP6Q7Rp0oCQaw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2015-10-21 19:13 ` Austin S Hemmelgarn
2015-10-22 17:10 ` Andy Lutomirski
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