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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: Stefan Puiu <stefan.puiu@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>,
	Martin Sebor <msebor@redhat.com>,
	"G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>,
	Douglas McIlroy <douglas.mcilroy@dartmouth.edu>,
	Jakub Wilk <jwilk@jwilk.net>, Serge Hallyn <serge@hallyn.com>,
	Iker Pedrosa <ipedrosa@redhat.com>,
	Andrew Pinski <pinskia@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v5 2/5] stpecpy.3, stpecpyx.3, ustpcpy.3, ustr2stp.3, zustr2stp.3, zustr2ustp.3: Add new links to string_copy(7)
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:03:53 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <5abac28c-e8fa-d62b-2211-5ddd6820e882@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CACKs7VDYWBaMtAELqnV31eJjRNebPH-m9kZiXXq4fABgvQ+E5Q@mail.gmail.com>


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Hi Stefan,

On 12/16/22 19:47, Stefan Puiu wrote:
> Hi Alex!
> 
> On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 2:46 AM Alejandro Colomar
> <alx.manpages@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Formatted strpcy(3):
>>
>> strcpy(3)                  Library Functions Manual                  strcpy(3)
>>
>> NAME
>>          strcpy - copy or catenate a string
>>
>> LIBRARY
>>          Standard C library (libc, -lc)
>>
>> SYNOPSIS
>>          #include <string.h>
>>
>>          char *stpcpy(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src);
>>          char *strcpy(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src);
>>          char *strcat(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src);
>>
>>      Feature Test Macro Requirements for glibc (see feature_test_macros(7)):
>>
>>          stpcpy():
>>              Since glibc 2.10:
>>                  _POSIX_C_SOURCE >= 200809L
>>              Before glibc 2.10:
>>                  _GNU_SOURCE
>>
>> DESCRIPTION
>>          stpcpy()
>>          strcpy()
>>                 These functions copy the string pointed to by src, into a string
>>                 at  the buffer pointed to by dst.  The programmer is responsible
>>                 for allocating a buffer large enough, that is, strlen(src) +  1.
>>                 They only differ in the return value.
> 
> A destination buffer large enough? It's not that obvious to me from
> the text, but maybe I'm tired :).

Sure.  Thanks!

> I was also a bit at a loss about the difference between the two; maybe
> you can say "For the difference between the two, see RETURN VALUE"?

That can make sense, yes.

> 
>>
>>          strcat()
>>                 This function catenates the string pointed to by src, at the end
>>                 of  the string pointed to by dst.  The programmer is responsible
>>                 for allocating a buffer large enough,  that  is,  strlen(dst)  +
>>                 strlen(src) + 1.
> 
> Ditto here.

:)

> 
>>
>>          An implementation of these functions might be:
>>
>>              char *
>>              stpcpy(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src)
>>              {
>>                  char  *end;
>>
>>                  end = mempcpy(dst, src, strlen(src));
>>                  *end = '\0';
>>
>>                  return end;
>>              }
>>
>>              char *
>>              strcpy(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src)
>>              {
>>                  stpcpy(dst, src);
>>                  return dst;
>>              }
>>
>>              char *
>>              strcat(char *restrict dst, const char *restrict src)
>>              {
>>                  stpcpy(dst + strlen(dst), src);
>>                  return dst;
>>              }
> 
> Are you sure this section adds any value? I think good documentation
> should explain how a function works without delving into the
> interpretation.

To be honest, this page doesn't benefit too much from it.  strcpy(3)/strcat(3) 
are dead simple, and the explanations above should be enough.

However, the same thing in strncpy(3) and strncat(3) is very helpful, IMO.  For 
consistency I just showed trivial implementations in all of the pages.  (And in 
fact, there was an example implementation in the old strncat(3) and maybe a few 
others, IIRC.)

> Also, people might get confused and think this is the
> actual implementation.

I don't think there's any problem if one believes this is the implementation. 
Except for stpcpy(3), in which I preferred readability, they are actually quite 
good implementations.  A faster implementation of stpcpy(3) might be done in 
terms of memccpy(3).

Funnily enough, I just checked what musl libc does, and it's the same as shown here:


alx@debian:~/src/musl/musl$ grepc -tfd strcpy
./src/string/strcpy.c:3:
char *strcpy(char *restrict dest, const char *restrict src)
{
	__stpcpy(dest, src);
	return dest;
}
alx@debian:~/src/musl/musl$ grepc -tfd strcat
./src/string/strcat.c:3:
char *strcat(char *restrict dest, const char *restrict src)
{
	strcpy(dest + strlen(dest), src);
	return dest;
}


> 
>>
>> RETURN VALUE
>>          stpcpy()
>>                 This  function returns a pointer to the terminating null byte at
>>                 the end of the copied string.
>>
>>          strcpy()
>>          strcat()
>>                 These functions return dest.
>>
>> ATTRIBUTES
>>          For an explanation of the terms  used  in  this  section,  see  attrib‐
>>          utes(7).
>>          ┌────────────────────────────────────────────┬───────────────┬─────────┐
>>          │Interface                                   │ Attribute     │ Value   │
>>          ├────────────────────────────────────────────┼───────────────┼─────────┤
>>          │stpcpy(), strcpy(), strcat()                │ Thread safety │ MT‐Safe │
>>          └────────────────────────────────────────────┴───────────────┴─────────┘
>>
>> STANDARDS
>>          stpcpy()
>>                 POSIX.1‐2008.
>>
>>          strcpy()
>>          strcat()
>>                 POSIX.1‐2001, POSIX.1‐2008, C89, C99, SVr4, 4.3BSD.
>>
>> CAVEATS
>>          The strings src and dst may not overlap.
>>
>>          If  the  destination  buffer is not large enough, the behavior is unde‐
>>          fined.  See _FORTIFY_SOURCE in feature_test_macros(7).
>>
>> BUGS
>>          strcat()
>>                 This function can be  very  inefficient.   Read  about  Shlemiel
>>                 the      painter     ⟨https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2001/12/11/
>>                 back-to-basics/⟩.
> 
> I'm not sure this is a bug, rather a design limitation. Maybe it
> belongs in NOTES or CAVEATS?

Yeah, I had been thinking of downgrading it.  I'll do it.

> Also, I think this can be summarized
> along the lines of 'strcat needs to walk the destination buffer to
> find the null terminator, so it has linear complexity with respect to
> the size of the destination buffer up to the terminator' (hmm, I'm
> sure this can be expressed more concisely), so the page is more self
> contained. Outside links sometimes go dead, like on Wikipedia, so I
> think just in case, it helps to make explicit the point that you want
> the reader to study further in the URL.

I wasn't inspired to write it short enough to not be too verbose.  Maybe I'll 
write something based on your suggestion.

> 
> Regards,
> Stefan.

Thanks for the review!

Cheers,

Alex

> 
>>
>> EXAMPLES
>>          #include <stdio.h>
>>          #include <stdlib.h>
>>          #include <string.h>
>>
>>          int
>>          main(void)
>>          {
>>              char    *p;
>>              char    buf1[BUFSIZ];
>>              char    buf2[BUFSIZ];
>>              size_t  len;
>>
>>              p = buf1;
>>              p = stpcpy(p, "Hello ");
>>              p = stpcpy(p, "world");
>>              p = stpcpy(p, "!");
>>              len = p - buf1;
>>
>>              printf("[len = %zu]: ", len);
>>              puts(buf1);  // "Hello world!"
>>
>>              strcpy(buf2, "Hello ");
>>              strcat(buf2, "world");
>>              strcat(buf2, "!");
>>              len = strlen(buf2);
>>
>>              printf("[len = %zu]: ", len);
>>              puts(buf2);  // "Hello world!"
>>
>>              exit(EXIT_SUCCESS);
>>          }
>>
>> SEE ALSO
>>          strdup(3), string(3), wcscpy(3), string_copy(7)
>>
>> Linux man‐pages (unreleased)        (date)                           strcpy(3)
>>
>> --
>> <http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-12-16 19:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 53+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-12-11 23:59 string_copy(7): New manual page documenting string copying functions Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12  0:17 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12  0:25 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12  0:32 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 14:24 ` [PATCH 1/3] strcpy.3: Rewrite page to document all string-copying functions Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 17:33   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 18:38     ` groff man(7) extensions (was: [PATCH 1/3] strcpy.3: Rewrite page to document all string-copying functions) G. Branden Robinson
2022-12-13 15:45       ` a Q quotation macro for man(7) (was: groff man(7) extensions) G. Branden Robinson
2022-12-12 23:00   ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Rewrite strcpy(3) Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-13 20:56     ` Jakub Wilk
2022-12-13 20:57       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-13 22:05       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-13 22:46         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 0/1] Rewritten page for string-copying functions Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14  0:14       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14  0:16         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14 16:17       ` [PATCH v4 " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:26         ` [PATCH v5 0/5] Rewrite pages about " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-19 21:02           ` [PATCH v6 0/5] Rewrite documentation for " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-19 21:02           ` [PATCH v6 1/5] string_copy.7: Add page to document all " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-20 15:00             ` Stefan Puiu
2022-12-20 15:03               ` Alejandro Colomar
2023-01-20  3:43             ` Eric Biggers
2023-01-20 12:55               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-19 21:02           ` [PATCH v6 2/5] stpecpy.3, stpecpyx.3, ustpcpy.3, ustr2stp.3, zustr2stp.3, zustr2ustp.3: Add new links to string_copy(7) Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-19 21:02           ` [PATCH v6 3/5] stpcpy.3, strcpy.3, strcat.3: Document in a single page Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-19 21:02           ` [PATCH v6 4/5] stpncpy.3, strncpy.3: " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-19 21:02           ` [PATCH v6 5/5] strncat.3: Rewrite to be consistent with string_copy.7 Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:26         ` [PATCH v5 1/5] string_copy.7: Add page to document all string-copying functions Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:30           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:26         ` [PATCH v5 2/5] stpecpy.3, stpecpyx.3, ustpcpy.3, ustr2stp.3, zustr2stp.3, zustr2ustp.3: Add new links to string_copy(7) Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:27           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-16 18:47             ` Stefan Puiu
2022-12-16 19:03               ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2022-12-16 19:09                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:26         ` [PATCH v5 3/5] stpcpy.3, strcpy.3, strcat.3: Document in a single page Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-16 14:46           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-16 14:47             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:26         ` [PATCH v5 4/5] stpncpy.3, strncpy.3: " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:28           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:26         ` [PATCH v5 5/5] strncat.3: Rewrite to be consistent with string_copy.7 Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-15  0:29           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14 16:17       ` [PATCH v4 1/1] strcpy.3: Rewrite page to document all string-copying functions Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14  0:03     ` [PATCH v3 " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14 16:22       ` Douglas McIlroy
2022-12-14 16:36         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14 17:11           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-14 17:19             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 23:00   ` [PATCH v2 1/3] " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 23:00   ` [PATCH v2 2/3] stpcpy.3, stpncpy.3, strcat.3, strncat.3, strncpy.3: Transform the old pages into links to strcpy(3) Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 23:00   ` [PATCH v2 3/3] stpecpy.3, stpecpyx.3, strlcat.3, strlcpy.3, strscpy.3: Add new " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 14:24 ` [PATCH 2/3] stpcpy.3, stpncpy.3, strcat.3, strncat.3, strncpy.3: Transform the old pages into " Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-12 14:24 ` [PATCH 3/3] stpecpy.3, stpecpyx.3, strlcat.3, strlcpy.3, strscpy.3: Add new " Alejandro Colomar

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