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Branden Robinson" Cc: Seth McDonald , Alejandro Colomar , linux-man@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [PATCH v1 2/4] sys/man2/sysctl.2: HISTORY: wfix In-Reply-To: <20251230072756.c25thnpent43mjma@illithid> References: <1477de655f76e1e6e85c12cb03c068b120704511.1767072049.git.sethmcmail@pm.me> <87zf70xxog.fsf@gmail.com> <20251230072756.c25thnpent43mjma@illithid> Date: Mon, 29 Dec 2025 23:40:11 -0800 Message-ID: <87ldikxvs4.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable "G. Branden Robinson" writes: > At 2025-12-30T07:18:50+0000, Seth McDonald wrote: >> > [1] https://www.tuhs.org/cgi-bin/utree.pl?file=3D2.11BSD/src/man/man3/= sysctl.3 >>=20 >> That would be good to include, though we may need to first modify >> standards(7) since 2.11BSD currently isn't listed there (the earliest >> mentioned is 3BSD). > > The date on that file, 1993, strongly suggests a backport from the > then-getting-finalized 4.4BSD (which settled out over the course of 1994 > and into 1995 depending on whether one considers the "Encumbered" or > "Lite" versions mandated by the settlement of the USL v. BSDI lawsuit). > > 4.3BSD, by contrast, dates to 1986. See my previous mail. > > So in that sense, a sysctl()-bearing 2.11BSD is more recent than > 4.3BSD. It does say 1993, but it also has the following: .\" @(#)sysctl.3 8.1.1 (2.11BSD GTE) 1/13/95 .\" .TH SYSCTL 3 "January 13, 1995" The first line being used by SCCS? That is an assumption since I have never used it. > I suggest the Linux man-pages project not attempt to track the > provenance or timeline of 2.11BSD features. It's too much work. And there is probably not much practical benefit, i.e., just some (very few, probably) people interested in the history. 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