From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (woodpecker.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 013502931DF for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2026 16:16:09 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=140.211.166.183 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785773772; cv=none; b=DkX2lx92BZiQ2f/gLnsQF9/do8FMKmFaH6fV3gvdS+uzBAYOtjThWl3V0w/QfQsyzQyeRYyAm7g7ZFl+fI5sVLJi0jBObLmrrTyrZ9zeqjdf0oWtSMIre2lNURQICSz37jpjOOe4tRUSzWBix1z+Gk32fjIgmzmrlIitlomrjgI= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785773772; c=relaxed/simple; bh=WQr1/z/6SuB0n7qXO4pAiSsBPudT/L/LfcNKgj39IgM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:Message-ID: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=ExamwewD130lyjxJFJAsofRQk986rLGMVjpb/mHl6cLEibNZLdEd+ss8KPXIvM3tMjU2un60D82xG+LdtsafEHnEQVeuq/zIBTUAxSTzE8CYr7XS7ekKV2tlTJHNCxLacCnuGJ9dmW6Yj8VuhtRTC4VcA6e3Q4uoib0LIR7eqBI= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gentoo.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gentoo.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=140.211.166.183 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=gentoo.org Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=gentoo.org Received: from mop.sam.mop (c.1.a.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.a.5.c.d.c.d.9.1.0.b.8.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa [IPv6:2001:8b0:19dc:dc5a::a1c]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange x25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: sam) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id D5F9A340CD8; Mon, 03 Aug 2026 16:16:07 +0000 (UTC) From: Sam James To: Alejandro Colomar Cc: "G. 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Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool In-Reply-To: Organization: Gentoo References: <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> <20260803020908.efqt5ilkcjq4z3yz@illithid> <878q6n9u4v.fsf@gentoo.org> User-Agent: mu4e 1.14.2; emacs 31.0.91 Date: Mon, 03 Aug 2026 17:15:59 +0100 Message-ID: <87tspb89j4.fsf@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Alejandro Colomar writes: > Hi Sam, > >> Date: 2026-08-03 15:05:36+0100 >> From: Sam James >> >> Alejandro Colomar writes: >>=20 > [...] >> > He doesn't need to have read every word of the glibc manual, but this >> > precise text he could have read it, because it was mentioned by Paul in >> > this thread (different subthread) prior (19:28 UTC) to his message, and >> > reviewed by me also prior (20:31 UTC) to his message (23:27 UTC). >>=20 >> I often reply as I go rather than reading all other emails around that >> time. I don't think you should assume he read those emails and >> deliberately neglected their contents. > > Me too. But eventually I respond to those other emails, and rectify > when that new information conflicts with something I said with > incomplete information. So far, Collin didn't rectify. Well, give him a chance. > >> > >> > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2026 14:28:33 -0500 >> > From: Paul Eggert >> > Message-ID: <8715af47-867c-417a-8ef5-7b4b7ceb2c31@cs.ucla.edu> >> > >> > Date: Sun, 2 Aug 2026 22:31:59 +0200 >> > From: Alejandro Colomar >> > Message-ID: >> > >> > Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2026 16:27:21 -0700 >> > From: Collin Funk >> > Message-ID: <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> >> > >> > Also relevant is the fact that he accused me of "slowly" documenting >> > "personal preferences". His wording implies that it wasn't there >> > before. Maybe I misunderstood, though. I'd be happy to rectify if I >> > was wrong. >>=20 >> I think he meant in general? > > I don't interpret that. I guess he can defend himself and clarify. Right. > >> > While he didn't need to know whether it was there before, it would be >> > good to make some effort to learn whether that was the case, before >> > making such a serious accusation. >>=20 >> I took it to be that you (as you've said yourself) have a different >> style from Michael and this does involve a more opinionated (you may not >> call it that) approach. He's commenting on that being unfavourable to >> him. I didn't think that was contentious, more that you see it as your >> duty wrt education. > > I only see my style slightly different than Michael's, but not > necessarily in the sense of involving a more opinionated approach. See > the other messages where I've shown how Michael had done the exact same > thing with strlcpy(3) a long time ago. > > On reconsideration, and after researching what Michael really did, > I think I was wrong saying we have a different style at all. I believe > we've had the same style. We just had different topics of expertise. > > Michael has had his own share of opinionated comments in manual pages. Yes, seeing the quotes you posted in another reply, I didn't realise he'd written those! > > > Have a lovely day! > Alex --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQEBBAEWCgCpFiEEJaa7iN2bdkxrVUHCc4QJ9SDfkZAFAmpwvsAbFIAAAAAABAAO bWFudTIsMi41KzEuMTIsMiwyXxSAAAAAAC4AKGlzc3Vlci1mcHJAbm90YXRpb25z Lm9wZW5wZ3AuZmlmdGhob3JzZW1hbi5uZXQyNUE2QkI4OEREOUI3NjRDNkI1NTQx QzI3Mzg0MDlGNTIwREY5MTkwDxxzYW1AZ2VudG9vLm9yZwAKCRBzhAn1IN+RkCUw AP9aoxTytM3iC7qRaLXOF+1KjVF2MejYU3QHyPnZ02HepQEA5icELv/P4dDLljL6 2mLYko7UxSRqNRW6HaBxJNwhHg0= =wCaM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--