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From: "Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)" <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Casey Schaufler <casey-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>,
	Kees Cook <keescook-F7+t8E8rja9g9hUCZPvPmw@public.gmane.org>
Cc: mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org,
	Jann Horn <jann-XZ1E9jl8jIdeoWH0uzbU5w@public.gmane.org>,
	James Morris <jmorris-gx6/JNMH7DfYtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-man <linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Stephen Smalley <sds-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>,
	lkml <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	"Eric W. Biederman"
	<ebiederm-aS9lmoZGLiVWk0Htik3J/w@public.gmane.org>,
	linux-security-module
	<linux-security-module-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: Documenting ptrace access mode checking
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2016 09:21:45 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <91afccbb-7ad0-040c-4171-ffacf98002d1@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <f45383ca-6bdc-bba0-07d0-a8e3cb9c08d2-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>

On 06/24/2016 05:18 PM, Casey Schaufler wrote:
>
>
> On 6/24/2016 1:40 AM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) wrote:
>> On 06/22/2016 11:11 PM, Kees Cook wrote:
>>> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 12:21 PM, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
>>> <mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org> wrote:
>>>> On 06/21/2016 10:55 PM, Jann Horn wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Jun 21, 2016 at 11:41:16AM +0200, Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>        5.  The  kernel LSM security_ptrace_access_check() interface is
>>>>>>            invoked to see if ptrace access is permitted.  The  results
>>>>>>            depend on the LSM.  The implementation of this interface in
>>>>>>            the default LSM performs the following steps:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> For people who are unaware of how the LSM API works, it might be good to
>>>>> clarify that the commoncap LSM is *always* invoked; otherwise, it might
>>>>> give the impression that using another LSM would replace it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As we can see, I am one of those who are unaware of how the LSM API
>>>> works :-/.
>>>>
>>>>> (Also, are there other documents that refer to it as "default LSM"? I
>>>>> think that that term is slightly confusing.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, that's a terminological confusion of my own making. Fixed now.
>>>>
>>>> I changed this text to:
>>>>
>>>>        Various parts of the kernel-user-space API (not just  ptrace(2)
>>>>        operations), require so-called "ptrace access mode permissions"
>>>>        which are gated by any enabled Linux Security Module (LSMs)—for
>>>>        example,  SELinux,  Yama, or Smack—and by the the commoncap LSM
>>>>        (which is always invoked).  Prior to  Linux  2.6.27,  all  such
>>>>        checks  were  of a single type.  Since Linux 2.6.27, two access
>>>>        mode levels are distinguished:
>>>>
>>>> BTW, can you point me at the piece(s) of kernel code that show that
>>>> "commoncap" is always invoked in addition to any other LSM that has
>>>> been installed?
>>>
>>> It's not entirely obvious, but the bottom of security/commoncap.c shows:
>>>
>>> #ifdef CONFIG_SECURITY
>>>
>>> struct security_hook_list capability_hooks[] = {
>>>         LSM_HOOK_INIT(capable, cap_capable),
>>> ...
>>> };
>>>
>>> void __init capability_add_hooks(void)
>>> {
>>>         security_add_hooks(capability_hooks, ARRAY_SIZE(capability_hooks));
>>> }
>>>
>>> #endif
>>>
>>> And security/security.c shows the initialization order of the LSMs:
>>>
>>> int __init security_init(void)
>>> {
>>>         pr_info("Security Framework initialized\n");
>>>
>>>         /*
>>>          * Load minor LSMs, with the capability module always first.
>>>          */
>>>         capability_add_hooks();
>>>         yama_add_hooks();
>>>         loadpin_add_hooks();
>>>
>>>         /*
>>>          * Load all the remaining security modules.
>>>          */
>>>         do_security_initcalls();
>>>
>>>         return 0;
>>> }
>>
>> So, I just want to check my understanding of a couple of points:
>>
>> 1. The commoncap LSM is invoked first, and if it denies access,
>>    then no further LSM is/needs to be called.
>
> Yes. The LSM infrastructure is "bail on fail".
>
>>
>> 2. Is it the case that only one of the other LSMs (SELinux, Yama,
>>    AppArmor, etc.) is invoked, or can more than one be invoked.
>>    I thought only one is invoked, but perhaps I am out of date
>>    in my understanding.
>
> All registered modules are invoked, but only one "major"
> module can be registered. The "minor" modules show up in
> security_init, while the majors come in via do_security_initcalls.
>
> I am in the process of messing that all up with patches
> allowing multiple major modules. Stay tuned.

Thanks for the info, Casey.

Cheers,

Michael



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  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-06-25  7:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-06-21  9:41 Documenting ptrace access mode checking Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found] ` <e335a243-2199-2185-c7b3-fb1c898e9ab4-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-21 19:55   ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]     ` <87ziqewc3r.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-21 20:29       ` Kees Cook
     [not found]         ` <CAGXu5jLwuqS5w-Thpngc=hFhXOdM-Q5_G1v9np1sOnmq+v2c4g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-21 20:58           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-06-22 19:20           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-06-22 19:20       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]         ` <4c6a338f-619b-9e99-9fd8-1cf6d86ecfed-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-23 19:04           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-06-24  9:57             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-06-22 21:51     ` Oleg Nesterov
     [not found]       ` <20160622215142.GA14751-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-23  7:06         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]           ` <f8069f83-f7b6-ee2c-5167-fa0d50732180-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-23 18:56             ` Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]               ` <871t3nka3c.fsf-JOvCrm2gF+uungPnsOpG7nhyD016LWXt@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-24  8:18                 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-06-21 20:55   ` Jann Horn
2016-06-22 19:21     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]       ` <86486234-d78a-234b-58bb-6ca646881dc6-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-22 21:11         ` Kees Cook
     [not found]           ` <CAGXu5j+DoWCT=NwZK-yNBmZOu9LdEn=0-gjJvtPVmNJFanWoKA-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-23  7:02             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-06-24  8:40             ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2016-06-24 15:18               ` Casey Schaufler
     [not found]                 ` <f45383ca-6bdc-bba0-07d0-a8e3cb9c08d2-iSGtlc1asvQWG2LlvL+J4A@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-24 20:07                   ` Kees Cook
2016-06-25  7:21                   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages) [this message]
2016-06-22 22:44       ` Jann Horn
     [not found]         ` <20160622224428.GA15902-J1fxOzX/cBvk1uMJSBkQmQ@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-23  7:42           ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
     [not found]             ` <33209000-3fd4-0b26-f249-eb4e1a9e1651-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-24  6:35               ` Jann Horn
2016-06-23 18:05 ` Stephen Smalley
     [not found]   ` <fe5a5f9a-87f8-8483-58cf-61c73aa1ecdd-+05T5uksL2qpZYMLLGbcSA@public.gmane.org>
2016-06-24  8:33     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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