From: Nick Piggin <npiggin-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>
To: Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
Cc: Jeff Moyer <jmoyer-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
KOSAKI Motohiro
<kosaki.motohiro-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
Michael Kerrisk
<mtk.manpages-Re5JQEeQqe8AvxtiuMwx3w@public.gmane.org>,
LKML <linux-kernel-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org>,
linux-man-u79uwXL29TY76Z2rM5mHXA@public.gmane.org,
linux-mm-Bw31MaZKKs3YtjvyW6yDsg@public.gmane.org,
mgorman-l3A5Bk7waGM@public.gmane.org,
Andrea Arcangeli
<aarcange-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>,
Woodman <lwoodman-H+wXaHxf7aLQT0dZR+AlfA@public.gmane.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Describe race of direct read and fork for unaligned buffers
Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 19:09:54 +1000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAPa8GCCnvvaj0Do7sdrdfsvbcAf0zBe3ssXn45gMfDKCcvJWxA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20120502081705.GB16976-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
On 2 May 2012 18:17, Jan Kara <jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org> wrote:
> On Wed 02-05-12 01:50:46, Nick Piggin wrote:
>> KOSAKI-san is correct, I think.
>>
>> The race is something like this:
>>
>> DIO-read
>> page = get_user_pages()
>> fork()
>> COW(page)
>> touch(page)
>> DMA(page)
>> page_cache_release(page);
>>
>> So whether parent or child touches the page, determines who gets the
>> actual DMA target, and who gets the copy.
> OK, this is roughly what I understood from original threads as well. So
> if our buffer is page aligned and its size is page aligned, you would hit
> the corruption only if you do modify the buffer while IO to / from that buffer
> is in progress. And that would seem like a really bad programming practice
> anyway. So I still believe that having everything page size aligned will
> effectively remove the problem although I agree it does not aim at the core
> of it.
I see what you mean.
I'm not sure, though. For most apps it's bad practice I think. If you get into
realm of sophisticated, performance critical IO/storage managers, it would
not surprise me if such concurrent buffer modifications could be allowed.
We allow exactly such a thing in our pagecache layer. Although probably
those would be using shared mmaps for their buffer cache.
I think it is safest to make a default policy of asking for IOs against private
cow-able mappings to be quiesced before fork, so there are no surprises
or reliance on COW details in the mm. Do you think?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2012-05-02 9:09 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 31+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2012-04-30 9:30 [PATCH] Describe race of direct read and fork for unaligned buffers Jan Kara
2012-04-30 13:41 ` Jeff Moyer
[not found] ` <1335778207-6511-1-git-send-email-jack-AlSwsSmVLrQ@public.gmane.org>
2012-04-30 14:30 ` Mel Gorman
2012-05-01 5:50 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-05-01 6:49 ` Nick Piggin
2012-05-01 14:31 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <CAHGf_=qdE3yNw=htuRssfav2pECO1Q0+gWMRTuNROd_3tVrd6Q-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-01 14:37 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-01 15:11 ` Jeff Moyer
[not found] ` <x49ehr4lyw1.fsf-RRHT56Q3PSP4kTEheFKJxxDDeQx5vsVwAInAS/Ez/D0@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-01 15:34 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-01 15:38 ` Jeff Moyer
[not found] ` <x491un3nc7a.fsf-RRHT56Q3PSP4kTEheFKJxxDDeQx5vsVwAInAS/Ez/D0@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-01 15:50 ` Nick Piggin
2012-05-01 23:51 ` Andrea Arcangeli
[not found] ` <CAPa8GCCgLUt1EDAy7-O-mo0qir6Bf5Pi3Va1EsQ3ZW5UU=+37g-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-02 8:17 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20120502081705.GB16976-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-02 9:09 ` Nick Piggin [this message]
2012-05-02 9:18 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20120502091837.GC16976-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-02 19:14 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-02 19:23 ` Jan Kara
[not found] ` <20120502192325.GA18339-+0h/O2h83AeN3ZZ/Hiejyg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-02 19:25 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
[not found] ` <CAHGf_=oOx1qPFEboQeuaeMKtveM2==BSDG=xdfRHz+gFx1GAfw-JsoAwUIsXosN+BqQ9rBEUg@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-05 11:28 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-05-05 15:29 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-08 23:10 ` Nick Piggin
2012-05-09 5:35 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-05-09 7:01 ` Nick Piggin
2012-05-09 7:18 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-05-10 15:00 ` Jan Kara
2012-05-01 16:15 ` KOSAKI Motohiro
2012-05-01 17:56 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2012-05-02 0:34 ` Nick Piggin
2012-05-02 3:04 ` Hugh Dickins
[not found] ` <alpine.LSU.2.00.1205011952040.1293-fupSdm12i1nKWymIFiNcPA@public.gmane.org>
2012-05-02 3:10 ` Nick Piggin
2012-05-02 9:20 ` Jan Kara
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