From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ACA5C6FD1D for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:11:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231244AbjCOSL1 (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:11:27 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:41778 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S229769AbjCOSL0 (ORCPT ); Wed, 15 Mar 2023 14:11:26 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de (mout01.posteo.de [185.67.36.65]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id CCF1141B6B for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 11:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 44B192404E0 for ; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 19:11:23 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.de; s=2017; t=1678903883; bh=+T99MULo4o9QcyHJjGH+FBAmIs0md/9js/okMhwbNJo=; h=Date:Subject:Cc:From:To:From; b=TQjXdewpQmca/CmJnUWbUjTkLNZRgU56wc8bnPXBtXxe89u+Q7R0uvNsU7GZsJ3PM SRNduAj3KuyMP9RpxJvUi3ZBozvGojCAE8rcRERdPl0P0cVDDI23Zd/UwX8p2cQzH9 g7QJrR3c3GkmAfBaQJR+IXl9ksH/ToVlDJkNjZnAkh5Ivq17nkHurb9XD8gVnLfY4k VkIgxATFZ4O4Y+WpsC68dBXIR/3mGW+2pUQ+m0L4UhO1rdVQgF/SQWUQcKrY0XDSrq WKBstQS03dH9bnv3yYGgkslS8sgS9p6mPQZlF65kVNm4C+iPgNU1aiDmEfi8MTSo6c V/QjyCOYNHcSQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4PcJP62w6cz9rxM; Wed, 15 Mar 2023 19:11:22 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 15 Mar 2023 18:10:34 +0000 Message-Id: Subject: Re: Revert "Many Pages: Remove references to C89" Cc: From: "Tom Schwindl" To: "Alejandro Colomar" References: <20230310015150.3545768-1-Matt.Jolly@footclan.ninja> <8899aff7-4193-dd54-4488-234b1a6cee83@gmail.com> <591290fb-e78d-ad3a-8b25-4a860d26f775@gmail.com> <6aad40b5-04ca-68d8-7da2-cb4a7bed7ded@Shaw.ca> In-Reply-To: Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org Hi Alex, > > I have an archive of many drafts including (so far): > >=20 > > 1.5M Sep 10 1998 N0843-C1999-CD-1998-08.pdf > > 3.4M May 6 2005 N1124-C1999+TC2-CD-2005-05.pdf > > 3.7M Sep 8 2007 N1256-C1999+TC3-CD-2007-09.pdf > > 1.7M Apr 12 2011 N1570-C201X-CD-2011-04.pdf > > 2.3M Oct 9 2017 N2176-C2017-CD-2017-10.pdf > > 6.7M Jan 24 11:37 N3088-C2023-CD1-2023-01.pdf > >=20 > > which can be downloaded as: > >=20 > > https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg14/www/docs/n####.pdf > > Do you know if we can distribute them? which license applied to them? > I'm worried that some distros are very strict in what can be distributed > in a package (e.g., Fedora, Debian (main)). There were issues with > man-pages-posix in the past. > > Should we maybe open a separate project iso-c-drafts that installs > drafts of the ISO C standards and maybe some scripts that will be useful > with them? > This is probably a legal gray area and I'd be careful. ISOs license agreement[0] explicitly states the following: > The ISO publication(s) you order is/are copyrighted by the Internationa= l > Organization for Standardization. You acknowledge and agree to respect = ISO=E2=80=99s > copyright in our publications by purchasing, downloading, copying or > otherwise using (an) ISO publication(s). Except as provided for under t= his > Licence Agreement, you may not lend, lease, reproduce, distribute or > otherwise commercially exploit ISO publication(s). In the case of joint > standards (such as ISO/IEC standards), this clause shall apply to the > respective joint copyright ownership. As we (or a third party) can only produce a plaintext version by downloadin= g the original PDF draft and converting it, we agree with the above. Thus, we can= 't "reproduce" or "distribute" the standard, at least that's my understanding[= 1]. I highly doubt that major distibutions would take that risk, nor should we. [0] [1] For the record: I'm not a lawyer, this is not legal advice. It's very w= ell possible that I've overlooked something. --=20 Best Regards, Tom Schwindl