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From: Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>
To: "Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)" <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
Cc: Pavel Emelyanov <xemul@openvz.org>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Michael Kerrisk <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Ted Estes <ted@softwarecrafters.com>,
	linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jann Horn <jannh@google.com>
Subject: Re: [Bug 210655] ptrace.2: documentation is incorrect about access checking threads in same thread group
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2020 00:07:19 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <X9lBp3BHbwcTmDqb@pc.thejh.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <feef4f9a-4ed8-8a2e-d330-88e7f516faae@gmail.com>

Am Tue, Dec 15, 2020 at 06:01:25PM +0100 schrieb Alejandro Colomar (man-pages):
> Hi,
> 
> There's a bug report: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=210655
> 
> [[
> Under "Ptrace access mode checking", the documentation states:
>   "1. If the calling thread and the target thread are in the same thread
> group, access is always allowed."
> 
> This is incorrect. A thread may never attach to another in the same group.

No, that is correct. ptrace-mode access checks do always short-circuit for
tasks in the same thread group:

/* Returns 0 on success, -errno on denial. */
static int __ptrace_may_access(struct task_struct *task, unsigned int mode)
{
[...]
        /* May we inspect the given task?
         * This check is used both for attaching with ptrace
         * and for allowing access to sensitive information in /proc.
         *
         * ptrace_attach denies several cases that /proc allows
         * because setting up the necessary parent/child relationship
         * or halting the specified task is impossible.
         */

        /* Don't let security modules deny introspection */
        if (same_thread_group(task, current))
                return 0;
[...]
}

As the comment explains, you can't actually *attach*
to another task in the same thread group; but that's
not because of the ptrace-style access check rules,
but because specifically *attaching* to another task
in the same thread group doesn't work.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2020-12-16  0:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 14+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-12-15 17:01 [Bug 210655] ptrace.2: documentation is incorrect about access checking threads in same thread group Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-15 18:31 ` Ted Estes
2020-12-15 18:34   ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-15 22:48     ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-16  0:55       ` Linus Torvalds
2020-12-16  7:34         ` Oleg Nesterov
2020-12-15 23:07 ` Jann Horn [this message]
2020-12-15 23:23   ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-15 23:25     ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-16  0:01       ` Jann Horn
2020-12-16  2:21         ` Ted Estes
2020-12-16  2:33           ` Jann Horn
2020-12-16  9:22             ` Alejandro Colomar (man-pages)
2020-12-17 18:45               ` Eric W. Biederman

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