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@ 2024-01-19 21:50 ` Alejandro Colomar
2024-01-19 22:58 ` Alejandro Colomar
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From: Alejandro Colomar @ 2024-01-19 21:50 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-man; +Cc: lijh8
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Hi,
Forwarding to the mailing list as plain text.
I'll reply to this mail in a moment. For now, let me ask what
</usr/share/misc/operator> contains in macOS; I'm curious.
Have a lovely day,
Alex
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Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 05:20:40 +0800
From: lijh8 <lijh8@qq.com>
To: alx <alx@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: about operator(7) precedence
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Hi, on macOS (and maybe freeBSD), postfix and prefix ++ -- are the same
precedence and can be distinguished by associativities.
Why on linux, postfix and prefix are divided into two different
precedences? What's the reason, is the C language changed?
---
```
OPERATOR(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual OPERATOR(7)
NAME
operator – C operator precedence and order of evaluation
DESCRIPTION
Operator Associativity
-------- -------------
() [] -> . left to right
! ~ ++ -- - (type) * & sizeof right to left
* / % left to right
+ - left to right
<< >> left to right
< <= > >= left to right
== != left to right
& left to right
^ left to right
| left to right
&& left to right
|| left to right
?: right to left
= += -= etc. right to left
, left to right
FILES
/usr/share/misc/operator
macOS 12.7 June 9, 1993 macOS 12.7
```
---
```
operator(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual operator(7)
NAME
operator - C operator precedence and order of evaluation
DESCRIPTION
This manual page lists C operators and their precedence in evaluation.
Operator Associativity Notes
[] () . -> ++ -- left to right [1]
++ -- & * + - ~ ! sizeof right to left [2]
(type) right to left
* / % left to right
+ - left to right
<< >> left to right
< > <= >= left to right
== != left to right
& left to right
^ left to right
| left to right
&& left to right
|| left to right
?: right to left
= *= /= %= += -= <<= >>= &= ^= |= right to left
, left to right
The following notes provide further information to the above table:
[1] The ++ and -- operators at this precedence level are the postfix
flavors of the operators.
[2] The ++ and -- operators at this precedence level are the prefix
flavors of the operators.
Linux man-pages 6.03 2023-02-05 operator(7)
```
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* Re: FWD: lijh8@qq.com: about operator(7) precedence
2024-01-19 21:50 ` FWD: lijh8@qq.com: about operator(7) precedence Alejandro Colomar
@ 2024-01-19 22:58 ` Alejandro Colomar
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From: Alejandro Colomar @ 2024-01-19 22:58 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-man; +Cc: lijh8
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On Fri, Jan 19, 2024 at 10:50:19PM +0100, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from lijh8 <lijh8@qq.com> -----
>
> Date: Sat, 20 Jan 2024 05:20:40 +0800
> From: lijh8 <lijh8@qq.com>
> To: alx <alx@kernel.org>
> Cc: linux-man <linux-man@vger.kernel.org>
> Subject: about operator(7) precedence
> Message-ID: <tencent_98F329827330C28C2727E9F2106379868609@qq.com>
> X-Mailer: QQMail 2.x
>
I'll reorder your mail, for a better reply.
> What's the reason, is the C language changed?
The C language specifies operators in 6.5 (Expressions).
<http://port70.net/~nsz/c/c11/n1570.html#6.5>
There, there's a note, 85, that says that
The syntax specifies the precedence of operators in the
evaluation of an expression, which is the same as the order of
the major subclauses of this subclause, highest precedence first.
...
<http://port70.net/~nsz/c/c11/n1570.html#note85>
Postfix ++ and -- are described in 6.5.2.4, that is, in the second group
of operators, sorted by precedence (the first is _Generic(), which isn't
documented in the manual pages).
<http://port70.net/~nsz/c/c11/n1570.html#6.5.2.4>
Prefix ++ and -- are described in 6.5.3.1, that is, in the third group
of operators, sorted by precedence.
<http://port70.net/~nsz/c/c11/n1570.html#6.5.3.1>
> Why on linux, postfix and prefix are divided into two different
> precedences?
The Linux manual page is correct, closely following what ISO C says (I
showed C11, but I'm sure that all other versions of ISO C have the same
precedence rules).
> Hi, on macOS (and maybe freeBSD), postfix and prefix ++ -- are the same
> precedence and can be distinguished by associativities.
Since x--++ is not legal, because x-- is not an lvalue, there's probably
no real difference in the two different models of the same reality.
However, pedantically, the macOS manual page is lying. I've checked,
and the FreeBSD and OpenBSD manual pages also lie about this.
<https://man.openbsd.org/operator.7>
<https://man.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=operator&manpath=FreeBSD+14.0-RELEASE+and+Ports>
Have a lovely day,
Alex
>
>
> ---
>
>
> ```
>
>
> OPERATOR(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual OPERATOR(7)
>
>
> NAME
> operator – C operator precedence and order of evaluation
>
>
> DESCRIPTION
> Operator Associativity
> -------- -------------
> () [] -> . left to right
> ! ~ ++ -- - (type) * & sizeof right to left
> * / % left to right
> + - left to right
> << >> left to right
> < <= > >= left to right
> == != left to right
> & left to right
> ^ left to right
> | left to right
> && left to right
> || left to right
> ?: right to left
> = += -= etc. right to left
> , left to right
>
>
> FILES
> /usr/share/misc/operator
>
>
> macOS 12.7 June 9, 1993 macOS 12.7
>
>
> ```
>
>
> ---
>
>
> ```
>
>
> operator(7) Miscellaneous Information Manual operator(7)
>
>
> NAME
> operator - C operator precedence and order of evaluation
>
>
> DESCRIPTION
> This manual page lists C operators and their precedence in evaluation.
>
>
> Operator Associativity Notes
> [] () . -> ++ -- left to right [1]
> ++ -- & * + - ~ ! sizeof right to left [2]
> (type) right to left
> * / % left to right
> + - left to right
> << >> left to right
> < > <= >= left to right
> == != left to right
> & left to right
> ^ left to right
> | left to right
> && left to right
> || left to right
> ?: right to left
> = *= /= %= += -= <<= >>= &= ^= |= right to left
> , left to right
>
>
> The following notes provide further information to the above table:
>
>
> [1] The ++ and -- operators at this precedence level are the postfix
> flavors of the operators.
> [2] The ++ and -- operators at this precedence level are the prefix
> flavors of the operators.
>
>
> Linux man-pages 6.03 2023-02-05 operator(7)
>
>
> ```
>
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