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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Jason Yundt <jason@jasonyundt.email>
Cc: linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] man/man7/environ.7: Fix underspecification of "name=value" strings
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2026 17:27:55 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <akvEyqpWVMYkkJei@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <d5b0d9b86029aaa7961edd2421e4a3ebdaedb1b9.1783339632.git.jason@jasonyundt.email>

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Hi Jason,

On 2026-07-06T10:26:20-0400, Jason Yundt wrote:
> Before this change, environ(7) said this:
> 
> > By convention, the strings in environ have the form "name=value".  The
> > name is case-sensitive and may not contain the character "=".  The
> > value can be anything that can be represented as a string.  The name
> > and the value may not contain an embedded null byte ('\0'), since this
> > is assumed to terminate the string.
> 
> That description has a few problems:
> 
> 1. It talks about ‘the character "="’, but it doesn’t specify what
>    character encoding would be used to represent that character.  Two
>    different character encodings could represent that same “=” character
>    using two different bytes (or even sequences of bytes).

POSIX says that '=' is part of the portable character set.  Do we really
need to care about the value of '='?  Is this really possible?

> 2. It mentions that ‘The name is case-sensitive and may not contain the
>    character "=".’  It doesn’t clearly say what what is allowed to be in
>    a name.  It only says that those two things are explicitly
>    disallowed.

Anything else is allowed, obviously.

> This change fixes those two problems.  For the first problem, this
> change makes it so that the description is all about bytes, not
> characters.  Describing the format in terms of bytes allows us to
> sidestep the question of character encoding entirely.  Additionally, it
> is more accurate to describe strings in environ as being sequences of
> bytes instead of sequences of characters.  Both the name and value of an
> environment variable could be sequences of bytes that don’t contain any
> characters at all.
> 
> For the second problem, this change clarifies that the name of an
> environment variable can contain any byte except for 0x3D.  It also
> clarifies that while it’s OK for environment variable values to be
> empty, it’s not OK for environment variable names to be empty.
> 
> Additionally, this change replaces "=" with '='.  In the C programming
> language, "=" refers to two bytes: one for the equals character plus one
> for the terminating null byte.  In the C programming language, '='
> refers to a single byte.  In this particular instance, we’re talking
> about a single byte, so it’s better to use '='.  Using '=' also makes
> environ(7) more internally consistent.  Before this change, environ(7)
> used '\0' and "=".  This change makes it so that environ(7) uses '\0'
> and '='.
> 
> I was able to obtain obtain the information that I needed in order to
> create this change by writing a test program.  You can find the test
> program here [1].  Additionally, I got the information about the setenv(3)
> and unsetenv(3) functions from their man pages (specifically, the parts
> of their man pages that talk about EINVAL).
> 
> [1]: <https://codeberg.org/JasonYundt/environ-format-example-program>

Please include the C program in the commit message so that it can be
compiled and run easily, without having to understand Nix stuff.

> 
> Signed-off-by: Jason Yundt <jason@jasonyundt.email>
> ---
>  man/man7/environ.7 | 23 +++++++++++++++++------
>  1 file changed, 17 insertions(+), 6 deletions(-)
> 
> diff --git a/man/man7/environ.7 b/man/man7/environ.7
> index 31a69017cf75..bf5726e32429 100644
> --- a/man/man7/environ.7
> +++ b/man/man7/environ.7
> @@ -28,12 +28,23 @@ .SH DESCRIPTION
>  .I environ
>  have the form
>  .RI \[dq] name\f[B]=\f[]value \[dq].
> -The name is case-sensitive and may not contain
> -the character
> -.RB \[dq] = \[dq].
> -The value can be anything that can be represented as a string.
> -The name and the value may not contain an embedded null byte (\[aq]\[rs]0\[aq]),
> -since this is assumed to terminate the string.

I liked the old wording about the terminating null byte more.

> +The name is case-sensitive
> +and may contain any byte
> +other than null (\[aq]\[rs]0\[aq]) and 0x3D (the
> +.BR ascii (7)
> +.RB \[aq] = \[aq]
> +character).
> +The name must be at least one byte long,
> +or else programs will not be able to manipulate it using the
> +.BR setenv (3)
> +or
> +.BR unsetenv (3)
> +functions.
> +Immediately after the name, there should be a 0x3D byte.

What should readers interpret of 'should'?  Is it a recommendation or an
obligation?  This is unclear wording.

> +Immediately after the 0x3D byte is the value.

This seems redundant with the sentence that shows the format
"name=value".

> +The value may contain any byte except for null.

What is the null value?  You mean an empty string?  Or you mean embedded
null bytes in the string?  Please clarify.

> +The value may be zero bytes long.

That's commonly known as an empty string.

I think saying that the value can be anything that can be represented as
a string is fine (the old wording).

> +Immediately after the value, there must be a terminating null byte.

The fact that it's a string already implied this.


Have a lovely day!
Alex

>  .P
>  Environment variables may be placed in the shell's environment by the
>  .I export
> 
> Range-diff against v0:
> -:  ------------ > 1:  d5b0d9b86029 man/man7/environ.7: Fix underspecification of "name=value" strings
> -- 
> 2.54.0
> 
> 

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-07-06 15:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 7+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-06 14:26 [PATCH v1] man/man7/environ.7: Fix underspecification of "name=value" strings Jason Yundt
2026-07-06 15:27 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-07-07 10:54   ` Jason Yundt
2026-07-07 11:23     ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-07 10:53 ` [PATCH v2] " Jason Yundt
2026-07-07 11:31   ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-07-07 13:39     ` G. Branden Robinson

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