From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C32234DB6D for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2026 20:42:15 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785616936; cv=none; b=Ro3XIehbQ3IDSlCBlSM87eW/H29G307CkEaE3wwCpt1Y9FnABIBLfUstWfhMq9HNcBDCk3dKOSPlIsnx/0p8Gbdrm2nbGafU23AWyXmtwPRFIybqxs2wg0ZI8UxPylT++HRVWzFIEacXrgeJ3cKrDCGdzHvRHa/sxbEUNgqO7aY= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785616936; c=relaxed/simple; bh=DoVpBfpnVy67D5CxbLsaq33YEUAbOAUeB9P2K0rqzhs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=mcjFGryCS2TvQhnhlrQifzRURtMlg/oqF5dho+jk6On04T2eteOx+PDA/mCXDl5AzYU+LZYsdvngXRZ9QRaH/Zv/H04awdaP2BxAsMHp2mavqZOlWshAdhduY1t7Pkv4Q2R9Lg/sUG+eNpYcp2zNOOLsaqrmUC/KZ7H+83ChUgY= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=AYmJZq94; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="AYmJZq94" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EEF5A1F00AC4; Sat, 1 Aug 2026 20:42:11 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1785616935; bh=P5HmSai6dY3qHIeS69dvhrkZFn0ARcIFvMzB1g3kvlc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=AYmJZq94oUO63A+HDWJki7pdt70d4365meyJ5zWnFokCHp1skURtxDzx4YQ8aLyBI JNM9KoZWCQRbXf7vSoEBg3biw3SVYPJC3Lk4mzcvhm5i5d8qepn1+ZlTr7akiTYwM5 +oRXQK23e0h7NN36kjSyY+oeSyLWCEpEwIw0kf1cFhouf3ZL+ifpfwGQIhcomHeOCn w1jVeLzhSWgUCJfSMo71zZjShwC4aXAU4HnISZrbFBiXVAI50OusAC9BCxudABNjDM 7VEB8IxFR/z0E3XpEbN+zNGRYjRq8VAk1DstXC6Ae0J9kLILIMsOlYSZ+E3zTrTVla wzyc7uvavgqCw== Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2026 22:42:09 +0200 From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" Cc: Sam James , Joseph Myers , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic , Mark Harris , Nevin Liber , JeanHeyd Meneide , Christopher Bazley , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Douglas McIlroy Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Message-ID: References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <87a4r6es6k.fsf@gentoo.org> <87y0epdhxp.fsf@gentoo.org> <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="uoq5oed3xf4e7obb" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> --uoq5oed3xf4e7obb Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" Cc: Sam James , Joseph Myers , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic , Mark Harris , Nevin Liber , JeanHeyd Meneide , Christopher Bazley , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Douglas McIlroy Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Message-ID: References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <87a4r6es6k.fsf@gentoo.org> <87y0epdhxp.fsf@gentoo.org> <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> Hi Branden, > Date: 2026-08-01 15:18:49-0500 > From: "G. Branden Robinson" > > Hi Sam & Alex, >=20 > Just a quick note on conflicts on interest since I'm the one who dragged > that label into the conversation--though the concept was implicitly > present already. >=20 > At 2026-08-01T15:38:42+0100, Sam James wrote: > > Alejandro Colomar writes: > > > FWIW, regarding the possible conflict of interest that was mentioned > > > yesterday, I'll say that I don't get paid for my contributions to > > > ISO C as a member of WG14. There's no benefit to me other than > > > public recognition. I'll also disclose the exact quantity that I've > > > been paid for maintaining the Linux man-pages project: > >=20 > > You can have a conflict of interest in responsibliity without money > > being involved. In fact, I have never believed you were influenced by > > money, >=20 > Sam makes a good point, and Alex, I think you overlooked one. >=20 > Disclosure of the quantity of your compensation as Linux man-pages > maintainer is of less importance than _who_ sponsored your work. That's public, and has been since the begining. It's published in the git repository: $ cat SPONSORS=20 Google Hudson River Trading Meta Here's the history of that file: $ git log --pretty=3Dreference -p -- SPONSORS=20 6d9ae347cfac (SPONSORS: Two sponsors didn't renew this year, 2025-10-29) diff --git a/SPONSORS b/SPONSORS index 440fcca8b9ed..4b2f2e9011b8 100644 --- a/SPONSORS +++ b/SPONSORS @@ -1,5 +1,3 @@ -Adfinis Google Hudson River Trading Meta -Red Hat 7ea35690e060 (SPONSORS: Publish the sponsors of this project, 2025-01-15) diff --git a/SPONSORS b/SPONSORS new file mode 100644 index 000000000000..440fcca8b9ed --- /dev/null +++ b/SPONSORS @@ -0,0 +1,5 @@ +Adfinis +Google +Hudson River Trading +Meta +Red Hat Cheers, Alex --=20 --uoq5oed3xf4e7obb Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEES7Jt9u9GbmlWADAi64mZXMKQwqkFAmpuWiEACgkQ64mZXMKQ wql97g/9FhuNSB+y7s6IhY2t+FaoGBl6Qac3GXLi9bISE0u3XPUx6uBUKXTrmtsV szHBxPdk87z4CyPJvOdHRkLA6iKqHn3wCtvntOYT+Qe7bU7D9g6P6vIlM1Gyjh0C bocKubcJlC8H9asArCvKWw2hXqJnhhwu/Wc8NJ676EYmvZjtNWdplBkl+HukUee8 bqG3n5PA0bJMyP4F3WZ024KoQMnoC8u79JWI8yTUnCY/hzjk2b/2COiUQWgRW7jp BVl7zK0RoJmZlc0O/yEEsY4oxhG2N8QwBqKXcAwGgBJrSc9FGRKQp54PiYr4mL+o 3doSZX/Qm+CuzbTiSiz72wH8kjV2bBBPpQZtFoBO7O9I/7FMPV126GP4k8JFlqSk CZlz18dCCaG9BYWbN0T5zguBiGN/CCnMByzrLc08PSc4Sn4+qMum5un9xx8XVZvv WQ4CV3x8HWGTROx66Hh8zt55RmnwVgzKI3mNUcGTBdy2N+Jh7s/Fg0q2uHTwO2rx ZHICf05cwp3NQN+b9/QFRSEq+RSXi8PMWHepSkfSv9G13qnJbdp7qtdZcftKUvop kggKUJBq9fTtih65R1fJnTHhVZ3pnUfOw1MjeZos/ZEvmybAq7XlCCUAXoXHC+qS AtMAdZlcGf+2D4XfuQDV+1zjh3ourTttn/RNx9+o4WXSGxC6VK8= =RRF6 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --uoq5oed3xf4e7obb--