From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 887D23CC7F3 for ; Sat, 1 Aug 2026 21:12:27 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785618748; cv=none; b=jTOLxxjY8rnAKjz+/k3NLdlc1NNct9VdzNxquvQZpFUx/QU3sytwudBE3kHCTu3UYR39YVLzrEiRDkQqKR63W62fTvJLi35YpVllvFnIPXmj+iKGi3sqKjb3xxPZolgIDaJpzNxevXc80a+XLnxN5t2mFSsg7u7BhIcdHHdJ//4= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785618748; c=relaxed/simple; bh=hcq2uAd2PQCDFNm9KNNwOJngb32zWm8mL9Ixhn1akkI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=dHDtTyzPJj/XghJxmF1RMTmO2pusBJmv531f3beXV+dWiKBH+EU9RsGHpD1xAqmFuIMK8cpN9xHElN2OX1gvtQztUU5agMle9Ni9nPCg8Tm615elY7ixQ5xs1gDBx05Laa1VQl3hX0H2/G7Lbx1cLLpQnAnIxDB8rIGj8/ucMiU= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=NYpzNXa2; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="NYpzNXa2" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 27F391F00AC4; Sat, 1 Aug 2026 21:12:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1785618747; bh=V7nuoqKsuaNSFj/7xQIvu01bPxEPM7jYMZPucOUVDKc=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=NYpzNXa22c3hECo0XWNiL2JmrzUTUrHwx8c+9xUlgT2DR5COqomDrrhVFwhihIpe2 awCyT86ueEdjVjgnQiNuYIdnhRIjZFFTGog7r01fMB5+dkslH1+nUbcuD+k3kYqBmO A+PGb5TprNvFTL4P8Zb7nilfo3Z2p4wV2iWEkzTISXpkgqIkuSQG3pJiHVfcJ3MXTR gJMRn/vS61Utvye2DXEMHjnvH/i6sQmHnmHN0RayLIwFlHNAoK2aPHcfC6JF5g1tnw klTe11MXLyt+cpjc3zitUH+EkIl3Pi0TjX4lDTgcjBaaOQ/PeYKI9JtwlIM4t1TRib 714ZvSmm0jiww== Date: Sat, 1 Aug 2026 23:12:21 +0200 From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" Cc: Sam James , Joseph Myers , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic , Mark Harris , Nevin Liber , JeanHeyd Meneide , Christopher Bazley , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Douglas McIlroy Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Message-ID: References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <87a4r6es6k.fsf@gentoo.org> <87y0epdhxp.fsf@gentoo.org> <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> <20260801205226.jta53rrxkglmpv6q@illithid> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="zdbekibbdixqzphd" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20260801205226.jta53rrxkglmpv6q@illithid> --zdbekibbdixqzphd Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" Cc: Sam James , Joseph Myers , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, Keith Bostic , Mark Harris , Nevin Liber , JeanHeyd Meneide , Christopher Bazley , "Serge E. Hallyn" , Iker Pedrosa , "Evgeny Grin (Karlson2k)" , Kees Cook , bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org, Douglas McIlroy Subject: Re: on the irresponsibility of pursuing C language reform Message-ID: References: <784288e704183a4297aeaa3d13af8edab18bc1ea.1785532392.git.alx@kernel.org> <20260731215122.4p4aepsbgeoibx74@illithid> <87a4r6es6k.fsf@gentoo.org> <87y0epdhxp.fsf@gentoo.org> <20260801201849.hzg6ufqxmwi2efzz@illithid> <20260801205226.jta53rrxkglmpv6q@illithid> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20260801205226.jta53rrxkglmpv6q@illithid> Hi Branden, > Date: 2026-08-01 15:52:26-0500 > From: "G. Branden Robinson" > > Hi Alex, >=20 > At 2026-08-01T22:42:09+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > > That's public, and has been since the begining. It's published in the > > git repository: >=20 > I knew it was there somewhere. (I see now--prominently, even!) :) >=20 > > $ cat SPONSORS > > Google > > Hudson River Trading > > Meta >=20 > I don't think many occasions call for you to quote the file contents. In every release, I do it. For example, see the last one: > From: Alejandro Colomar > To: linux-man@vger.kernel.org > Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org > Subject: man-pages-6.18 released > Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2026 22:04:52 +0200 [thread overview] > Message-ID: (raw) >=20 > Gidday! >=20 > I'm proud to announce: >=20 > man-pages-6.18 - manual pages for GNU+Linux >=20 ... >=20 > Thanks to all the contributors to this release (in BCC)! > And thanks to our sponsors! >=20 > $ sort --random-sort Meta > Hudson River Trading > Google Properly random-sorted, to avoid any preferences. In the actual file, they're sorted alphabetically. I haven't even asked how much money each of them pays to me, because I don't want to know. I only get the total amount through the Linux Foundation. (But FWIW, I guess the three pay the same.) > In your position I would simply have the URL to this file handy for any > occasion where someone takes a run at my transparency. Yup. > In fact I think your approach to disclosure is near-optimal. I've been thinking that I should disclose the total amount in the commit messages that update the file. > In my view > it is strongly superior to slathering acknowledgements of your sponsors > on all of your emails in your capacity as Linux man-pages maintainer, > which would degrade software engineering into something like NASCAR. I do in the releases, but since they only happen a few times a year, I guess it's okay. > (There I go, alienating yet another fan community...) >=20 > Regards, > Branden Cheers, Alex --=20 --zdbekibbdixqzphd Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEES7Jt9u9GbmlWADAi64mZXMKQwqkFAmpuYS0ACgkQ64mZXMKQ wqlZdQ/9Flxs+KhWKCW3XhwauZ/pdqX9BJEYvxEseEjezuUC9WASkq684KFS08o0 j30LHMZv6ZVGnFnpc4W+qy0TDYkaB7hG5HUSslvVIkf6Xz8nb1xDvjHgUJY4mRLi VyByYb/RMJqex9a58Hdsgcp+noYgkNWFy5GsMtuqTirhi5INSPzCEyLOrVIMheZo f3U0o4p87Zs+hUxZRE21ai8vlYmj1S9eWSFCEAx/MNC+pJEju+Y1ooIRoI6Mrnq3 /sANRfHExYl++oEfXr7c5/Lp5FfyY1S4Od0b6vJ65lQ1ugeKO5dwdjgl3MhlWaAj 0BQUwHO/L4XW7mC00yyv5Xvzxn9FwS/yPXiEynSfAzaqpBoOEf0WFDVbpADrVbA1 S0yD3X4codwSoLMGI9tpvv2ZtKjiwb8pdIQi2gYsOINwI+C6QIhDkjn5fVzCeGpl Ejjcn8oIJ4osOk+CSi+nofOmWa6lVN47Bd8/l26NMlpNHBEYdwbxp7GLFI4TI2G/ xE/aJ/6+wN+3x7FT6bp5JK1nJvhJgNUNMgiWrZd44oEm4bzljyZPAGh50lX2ARzl 6MbHNwID/RtXqbBlzqe0arzLgnScXw1UHyeg4HCmxJPzpdl4HpihZN2xDjNS1Ozg IjeM3FqsiNDAQOGp6ilLlgn2XFsFuvCTFot5up2kAn9NNGYWSwo= =Whg1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zdbekibbdixqzphd--