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Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <20260802000833.zpu27l7ibvrbouna@illithid> <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="lf5jzqybfnd5sfs2" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> --lf5jzqybfnd5sfs2 Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: Collin Funk Cc: "G. Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <20260802000833.zpu27l7ibvrbouna@illithid> <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> Hi Collin, > Date: 2026-08-02 16:27:21-0700 > From: Collin Funk > [...] >=20 > I can't help but wonder of what happens in WG 14 rejects this > controversial, as obvious by this thread, change. Will the man-pages > changes be reverted? Or will we slowly watch them document personal > preferences instead of existing standards? This patch set is quite independent of the standard. It documents a header file that has been provided since forever in glibc and most other POSIX-ish systems, so changes to the standard are unlikely to have any effects. I've clarified this extensively. If you want to discourage me =66rom applying the change, you should rather bring up technical reasons. This passive-aggressive message is not something that will have the desired effects you could possibly reach with technical arguments. Have a lovely night, please! Alex > After seeing weekly threads > about the prototype changes, I don't think it is an unreasonable > concern. >=20 > Collin >=20 --=20 --lf5jzqybfnd5sfs2 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEES7Jt9u9GbmlWADAi64mZXMKQwqkFAmpv1LUACgkQ64mZXMKQ wqlAMg//UK/e6PVTwvPHlzhiW+/t3rcqy1HlXEFG0bXjbdRsUbWe0/SKTS/rataQ ssI1hQXxIJ/Vq9+Fj1zTEo73vK1KPuOJKQS31dLPGp/T+AfnTB2Gior7uv8/cnE+ b3wYrMAobvnUpIjeVEee3jJ1rTrJhvjfz6a1WeofIm8wXRg5P7gBA6TeaVusFcqb Nb3cnxo4M3lv3LToXFK8j4uvHUghYWtv753cZgJz2qlXqOUkDFnAmJSlUGShWlGJ V6fobdn5h0jez9L5frojr5bwG9uFh/NS9PgmBwc71p7nIh/RBuQyK4uiPKtVw6J5 v4N1M/dquYmfsPRTT/vS5gWhtWekBbvrZrP2CzF7O5MWbHuJk1+tcUR07YMZ9oO/ mWJWYObOUssaWj7hMkeCq8HNGoZkQNyczJgULYBZ2/otL/m520WysQNBW9hp1dzl lJ7q8P401z3KD1UGo0ZnVeHj7mLt0GIemPd7F4trWmidQqqPNBwuHI7jU7RByYH1 dJ5cI8EWLI1J4ho8Xg1Zajn6jZe22GyYjxwxQC9DlKWO9lgGsDzT6ldf7JMJfib2 xMdWC1tPnXurwxfJLHbnmkj/yXCqjrAmR9aPnMCMqQvi5oYHPQt4vBEx6NBPWXvg i1sSWxax/nnj4o5c5C3JFcpl2SXFcxM4wyaE743+mQTffpUImcU= =OA0Z -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --lf5jzqybfnd5sfs2--