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Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <20260802000833.zpu27l7ibvrbouna@illithid> <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="z7hszugfj5ikgglz" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: --z7hszugfj5ikgglz Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: Collin Funk Cc: "G. Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <20260802000833.zpu27l7ibvrbouna@illithid> <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: > Date: 2026-08-03 01:37:30+0200 > From: Alejandro Colomar > > Hi Collin, >=20 > > Date: 2026-08-02 16:27:21-0700 > > From: Collin Funk > > > [...] > >=20 > > I can't help but wonder of what happens in WG 14 rejects this > > controversial, as obvious by this thread, change. Will the man-pages > > changes be reverted? > > Or will we slowly watch them document personal > > preferences instead of existing standards? BTW, as I showed in another subthread, strncpy(3) did contain opinionated comments well before I was involved. If you're really going to accuse me of that, better make sure you get the history right. Cheers, Alex >=20 > This patch set is quite independent of the standard. It documents a > header file that has been provided since forever in glibc and most other > POSIX-ish systems, so changes to the standard are unlikely to have any > effects. I've clarified this extensively. If you want to discourage me > from applying the change, you should rather bring up technical reasons. >=20 > This passive-aggressive message is not something that will have the > desired effects you could possibly reach with technical arguments. >=20 >=20 > Have a lovely night, please! > Alex >=20 > > After seeing weekly threads > > about the prototype changes, I don't think it is an unreasonable > > concern. > >=20 > > Collin > >=20 >=20 > --=20 > --=20 --z7hszugfj5ikgglz Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAABCgAdFiEES7Jt9u9GbmlWADAi64mZXMKQwqkFAmpv1a8ACgkQ64mZXMKQ wqleww/8DJjdv2hbztEvvSd1bZX+o6Qmn8t5jnZ/ThMfbznq7hYpD2qhSo/hwmav r73ejxAeqnw4bOCpxvvXKfqtXIUKHi1wzdTj0XeJDiakoVgKQqNuY4J+mAQotHXj Jyafz2T4ywEEAnx+MD1eT2WfglllULoReRfxJF26RC52SuU/utgQBbv67AhLuiUo 7NjfBMen219NfVZv++NRhrH5ctumkPjhgUDVkaKSprNOlQMKdSikKR35mGwc+T18 sr5pTU6YT6s3tK2UKYxWlwrYLN5G/0lxJUyeGJ1KLcb0fWoHmqUH2BpH2yrWMUJH BmFKvvJkVREks0zqtis19QOlJJXwjqysz50KKP+e+zxAJA+X4GegzAfgAgnykodn e0XksclInTViJNkkLm8QBbUCN8fiOiQhOrT88Ek9bnUiw0wcOvrSEnZB5drOVTfG tLiQpJaK/QDg/CeFEubL5k4ss1ezNDihq1cWjdkJWIWEf5a8QWK5SshLq8Vhh/ih OqtS/qJRHh3IwLliqTlCQzUMsASB3LuC8OsRWvVn26wMfrksCphXAFkie1YybUmq JCu2/+8cQfpxuVB2/KUVuJaT3gV+WDtRX9UiIT+1iOYAVMgcpKP0d26HKb5Os125 cDBCB5djvmVGXUq6vYvX1LsDh1qPqkTYn2zVhCD/4E80HrsEu34= =SfnM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --z7hszugfj5ikgglz--