Hi Maciej,

> Date: 2026-08-02 22:23:36+0100
> From: "Maciej W. Rozycki" <macro@orcam.me.uk>
>
> On Sun, 2 Aug 2026, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> 
> >      The  original implementation in glibc would have been con‐
> >      forming to C99.  However, and ironically, trying to comply
> >      with C99 before the standard was released,  glibc  changed
> >      its  behavior  in glibc 2.1.1 into something that ended up
> >      not conforming to the final C99 specification (but this is
> >      debated, as the wording of the standard seems self‐contra‐
> >      dicting).
> 
>  Well, this was a period when glibc was driven by personal preferences of 
> one particular maintainer, so I don't think it is a good example in this 
> discussion.

Just to clarify something about this, to which I didn't reply before:
we can't blame Drepper for this bug.

In this case, there was a discussion in the mailing list, and there was
no discrepancy against this change.
<https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/1999-April/000956.html>

It's just a case of a discussion that happened with incomplete
information, and which favoured standards conformance over common sense.

In fact, I was surprised when I learnt about this case, because I would
have expected Drepper to ignore the standard for being bogus.

Jonathan Larmour correctly noted in that discussion that glibc was not
conforming to C89.
<https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/1999-April/002394.html>

This finding from Jonathan should have triggered some more research, but
they didn't.

Roland McGrath pointed out his understanding of the (ambiguous) C89
specification, and claimed that it was a bug in glibc (and thus he seems
to have been in favour of the "fix" too).
<https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/1999-April/000958.html>
Interestingly, he claimed that it was a recently introduced bug, but as
far as I know, the glibc behavior had been unchanged before that.

It seems it was Roland McGrath who pushed for the idea that consistency
wasn't paramound, and that standards conformance was.
<https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/1999-April/002398.html>

Then Drepper did that change, and in his head it was consistent.
<https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/1999-April/000963.html>
It clearly isn't consistent, but it's understandable that he didn't see
it back then.

Wolfram Gloger seemed to be convinced that Drepper's change was
consistent (even if it isn't).
<https://sourceware.org/pipermail/libc-alpha/1999-April/002401.html>

For some reason, nobody in that group analyzed this carefully enough.
I guess it was inertia.  We can't blame Drepper (alone) for this bug.


Have a lovely day!
Alex

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