From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp.kernel.org (aws-us-west-2-korg-mail-alma10-1.taild15c8.ts.net [100.103.45.18]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id DA81C30C167 for ; Mon, 3 Aug 2026 14:28:28 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785767310; cv=none; b=KrkfRVVh7+tkl1eKLudZSqsgBex549EkSt1YqvRJ/2r93yLGup0/fRgF0y/WW/YSIEmsybSGLLa2nMHR2oibavh5ajPXfrx7ZuF0RaE72NuHjv+WSD+kRL60tF7JcIkoVav2OUSM6YrJ8a4rlHJRXRKR1LpUr7DElHH2f6PKSpA= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1785767310; c=relaxed/simple; bh=Oeu3xmOhinPndE7gbU/RZMW6pSCYyftmGm6sqQd8BTw=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=puLdiD7wU7dqua1hbUzhEZpYmAJ/oKLqGqnNcXdWhARfM0WnK1AUmmaot66IRdyaTyf7ma9jLSTB5jvYlaHBFrxExdKG+mtkEbPBYdsfNZe80fLKgPK9oyFZby2Iy4RkyS3dsasLPsTZUKjd5XauOG/fyZCymiVj4B7lyvtXtI4= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b=CZ3E7uik; arc=none smtp.client-ip=100.103.45.18 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=kernel.org header.i=@kernel.org header.b="CZ3E7uik" Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DAB5D1F000E9; Mon, 3 Aug 2026 14:28:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kernel.org; s=k20260515; t=1785767308; bh=vIl/Dwjqez5vbT2WVXX9mAQg9OT+CPQZnRGK2jnCKHs=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=CZ3E7uik9RWq5dIDbbO0WyV9VhlA2rGZ+CBPy7IADJ8z56GndNRUr07MbPyvCvzsI I5/tpmENUtuF5eTlqef11aEMbE0fCNeaFm3GiYAxhJ233GocLggdKR2C+shRByYcq5 81bFR9f40vsmKOizvP3KOA34H2Kf5djsN1dpiIPmTAk5L8KAxsDVlWrL40g3GZlxlr X9kuCqEfQtvfyyNIo7SxNpCTiCRx9HPQD8RQS/P8YwkoOj+/judC14mFhknLD5S5d3 WaRI0aBiCImyO8TtCP68XLJIx4m7TaB9hcMczePl835hGvpV/7RLLk5Bwvg9vo02fQ 2Q/8L7pCFcoCQ== Date: Mon, 3 Aug 2026 16:28:24 +0200 From: Alejandro Colomar To: Sam James Cc: Collin Funk , "G. Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> <87h5lb9u8d.fsf@gentoo.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="fkr6augduvdo2yb5" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87h5lb9u8d.fsf@gentoo.org> --fkr6augduvdo2yb5 Content-Type: text/plain; protected-headers=v1; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Alejandro Colomar To: Sam James Cc: Collin Funk , "G. Branden Robinson" , Arsen =?utf-8?Q?Arsenovi=C4=87?= , "Maciej W. Rozycki" , Paul Eggert , linux-man@vger.kernel.org, bug-gnulib@gnu.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org Subject: Re: the Linux man-pages as an educational tool Message-ID: References: <87cxw1s58a.fsf@gmail.com> <87ik5sunm7.fsf@aarsen.me> <20260802231058.o7gud4bd7co2nbhv@illithid> <875x1sp0h2.fsf@gmail.com> <87h5lb9u8d.fsf@gentoo.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87h5lb9u8d.fsf@gentoo.org> Hi Sam, > Date: 2026-08-03 15:03:30+0100 > From: Sam James > > Alejandro Colomar writes: >=20 > >> Date: 2026-08-02 16:27:21-0700 > >> From: Collin Funk > >> > > [...] > >>=20 > >> I can't help but wonder of what happens in WG 14 rejects this > >> controversial, as obvious by this thread, change. Will the man-pages > >> changes be reverted? Or will we slowly watch them document personal > >> preferences instead of existing standards? > > > > This patch set is quite independent of the standard. It documents a > > header file that has been provided since forever in glibc and most other > > POSIX-ish systems, so changes to the standard are unlikely to have any > > effects. I've clarified this extensively. If you want to discourage me > > from applying the change, you should rather bring up technical reasons. > > > > This passive-aggressive message is not something that will have the > > desired effects you could possibly reach with technical arguments. >=20 > I didn't read it as passive-aggressive, I did, and still do. > but I will say that I think > you've gone a bit hard in the responses to Collin in this subthread, and > I think the fact you sent several followup emails to yourself indicates > perhaps things got heated in the moment. Yes, they have. And it was good that a night has happened after that. It had calmed down. > I think Collin was making the same conflict of interest point as > was raised earlier, just in a different way. You may or may not agree > with how he phrased it, and you're free to challenge that, but my > reading of your replies is that it went a bit far. Collin went too far. Have a lovely day! 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