From: Alejandro Colomar <alx@kernel.org>
To: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
Cc: Vincent Lefevre <vincent@vinc17.net>,
Alejandro Colomar <alx+linux-man@kernel.org>,
linux-man@vger.kernel.org, libc-alpha@sourceware.org,
Walter Harms <wharms@bfs.de>,
~hallyn/shadow@lists.sr.ht, musl@lists.openwall.com
Subject: Re: [musl] Re: [PATCH v1] man/man3/crypt.3: These functions accept many algorithms, not only DES
Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2026 11:28:20 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <avWT2aQCFY2GIwLp@devuan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261112033742.GG5716@brightrain.aerifal.cx>
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Hi Rich, Vincent,
> Date: 2026-11-11 22:37:42-0500
> From: Rich Felker <dalias@libc.org>
>
> On Thu, Nov 12, 2026 at 04:29:29AM +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
> > On 2026-11-11 21:53:39 -0500, Rich Felker wrote:
> > > That's the whole reason '$' was chosen: POSIX doesn't define the
> > > behavior (since a "shall" is violated) so the implementation is free
> > > to define a behavior here. The behaviors for the portable base64
> > > character set documented in POSIX uses only 2 characters as salt
> > > (insufficient) and the common agreed-upon definition for how they are
> > > used is as salt for the classic DES-based password hash.
> >
> > But the behavior is completely out of scope of POSIX.
>
> Yes. And that's allowed because POSIX does not define the behavior but
> leaves it undefined. I'm not sure if you're objecting to something
> here or questioning how it should be documented or something else..?
Yeah, I think it'd be okay to document that this is an extension to
POSIX. Perhaps, we could add this:
@@ -111,6 +111,9 @@ .SH ATTRIBUTES
.BR crypt_r ()
T} Thread safety MT-Safe
.TE
+.SH VERSIONS
+While POSIX only specifies the DES algorithms for these functions,
+all systems implement several other algorithms.
.SH STANDARDS
.TP
.BR crypt ()
Have a lovely day!
Alex
>
> Rich
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Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-11-09 23:58 [PATCH v1] man/man3/crypt.3: These functions accept many algorithms, not only DES Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-10 0:01 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-11 15:05 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2026-11-11 18:55 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-11 21:13 ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2026-11-11 21:43 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 1:52 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 2:53 ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 3:29 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 3:37 ` [musl] " Rich Felker
2026-11-12 10:28 ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2026-11-12 11:40 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 12:08 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 13:15 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:26 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 12:08 ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 12:27 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 12:41 ` Szabolcs Nagy
2026-11-12 13:12 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 13:27 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:17 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:23 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 13:45 ` Vincent Lefevre
2026-11-12 13:55 ` Rich Felker
2026-11-12 14:07 ` Alejandro Colomar
2026-11-12 14:43 ` Rich Felker
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