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From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
To: "G. Branden Robinson" <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>,
	groff <groff@gnu.org>
Cc: Ingo Schwarze <schwarze@usta.de>, linux-man@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: MR macro 4th argument (was: [PATCH] Various pages: SYNOPSIS: Use VLA syntax in function parameters)
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 21:41:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <c2302f58-418e-d465-c72d-18083a0d6854@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <125368cf-e85a-d2f5-a943-9ebe0118e3b0@gmail.com>


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On 11/10/22 20:37, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
> Hi Branden,
> 
> On 11/10/22 19:04, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>> Of course I forgot to rename the title, and to agg groff@.  Nice.
>>
>> -------- Forwarded Message --------
>> Subject: Re: [PATCH] Various pages: SYNOPSIS: Use VLA syntax in function 
>> parameters
>> Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2022 18:47:38 +0100
>> From: Alejandro Colomar <alx.manpages@gmail.com>
>> To: G. Branden Robinson <g.branden.robinson@gmail.com>
>> CC: Ingo Schwarze <schwarze@usta.de>, linux-man@vger.kernel.org
>>
>> [removed gcc@ and other uninterested people; added groff@]
>>
>> Hi Branden!
>>
>> On 11/10/22 11:59, Alejandro Colomar wrote:
>>  >> Also, as soon as Bertrand and I can get groff 1.23 out[1], I am hoping
>>  >> you will, shortly thereafter, migrate to the new `MR` macro.
>>  >
>>  > Not as soon as it gets released, because I expect (at least a decent amount 
>> of)
>>  > contributors to be able to read the pages to which they contribute to, but as
>>  > soon as it makes it into Debian stable, yes, that's in my plans.  So, if you
>>  > make it before the freeze, that means around a couple of months from now.
>>
>> I won't be applying the patch now, to avoid contributors seeing people 
>> suddenly not seeing man page references while preparing patches.  But I'll 
>> start preparing the patch, to see where are the most difficult parts.  And 
>> maybe report some issues with the usability.
>>
>> My first thing was to run:
>>
>> $ grep -rn '^\.BR .* ([1-9]\w*)'
>>
>> I'm surprised for good that it seems that there are no false positives.  I 
>> didn't expect that.  But since things like exit(1) are code, they are probably 
>> either not highlighted at all, or maybe are italicized (as code is).  So 
>> that's a good thing.
>>
>> It showed a few lines that might be problematic, but that's actually bad code, 
>> which I need to fix:
>>
>> man7/credentials.7:270:.BR setuid "(2) (" setgid (2))
>> man7/credentials.7:274:.BR seteuid "(2) (" setegid (2))
>> man7/credentials.7:277:.BR setfsuid "(2) (" setfsgid (2))
>> man7/credentials.7:280:.BR setreuid "(2) (" setregid (2))
>> man7/credentials.7:284:.BR setresuid "(2) (" setresgid (2))
>>
>> Those are asking for a 2-line thing, where the second line is RB instead of 
>> BR. Which reminds me to check RB:
>>
>> $ grep -rn '^\.RB .* ([1-9]\w*)'
>>
>> There are much less cases, and also seem to be fine to script, with a few 
>> minor ffixes too.
>>
>> The big issue is that your MR doesn't support leading text:
>>
>>          .MR page‐title manual‐section [trailing‐text]
>>
>> I remember we had this discussion about what to do with it.  A 4th argument? 
>> There's also conflict with a hypothetical link that we might want to add later.
>>
>> My opinion is that the 4th argument should be the leading text.  Asking to use 
>> the escape (was it \c?) sequence to workaround that limitation is not very 
>> nice.    Especially for scripting the change.
>>
>> If you want a 5th argument for a URI, you can specify the leading text as "", 
>> which is not much of an issue.  And you keep the trailing text and the leading 
>> one together.
>>
>> What are your thoughts?  What should we do?
> 
> To document and discuss the way I'm migrating, I'll share here the scripts:
> 
> The simplest case: a single man page reference with no other stuff around it:
> 
> $ find man* -type f \
>    | xargs sed -i 's/^\.BR \([^ ]*\) (\([1-9]\w*\))$/.MR \1 \2/'
> 
> Second simplest case: a single man page reference with only trailing stuff:
> 
> $ find man* -type f \
>    | xargs sed -i 's/^\.BR \([^ ]*\) (\([1-9]\w*\))/.MR \1 \2 /'
> 
> 
> And here I continue with hypothetical syntax not yet allowed by groff.
> 
> A single man page reference with only leading stuff:
> 
> $ find man* -type f \
>    | xargs sed -i 's/^\.RB \([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\) (\([1-9]\w*\))$/.MR \2 \3 "" \1/'
> 
> A single man page reference with both leading and trailing stuff (thank $DEITY 
> for not having comments in any of those, so I can just run the script):
> 
> $ find man* -type f \
>    | xargs sed -i 's/^\.RB \([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\) (\([1-9]\w*\))\(.*\)/.MR \2 \3 \4 
> \1/'

And a few more, to cover same-page references.  As Ingo recommended, I'm adding 
the section for consistency.  Redundancy is not a big issue here.

Man references in the same page, with no stuff around them:

$ find man2 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.BR \([^ ]*\) ()$/.MR \1 2/'

$ find man3 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.BR \([^ ]*\) ()$/.MR \1 3/'


Man references in the same page, with trailing stuff:

$ find man2 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.BR \([^ ]*\) ()/.MR \1 2 /'

$ find man3 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.BR \([^ ]*\) ()/.MR \1 3 /'


Man references in the same page, with only leading stuff:

$ find man2 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.RB \([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\) ()$/.MR \2 2 "" \1/'

$ find man3 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.RB \([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\) ()$/.MR \2 3 "" \1/'


And finally, man references in the same page, with both leading and trailing 
stuff (again, I was lucky, and there were no comments):

$ find man2 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.RB \([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\) ()\(.*\)/.MR \2 2 \3 \1/'

$ find man3 -type f \
   | xargs sed -i 's/^\.RB \([^ ]*\) \([^ ]*\) ()\(.*\)/.MR \2 3 \3 \1/'

-- 
<http://www.alejandro-colomar.es/>

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  reply	other threads:[~2022-11-10 20:42 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 85+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-08-26 21:07 [PATCH] Various pages: SYNOPSIS: Use VLA syntax in function parameters Alejandro Colomar
2022-08-27 11:10 ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-08-27 12:15   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-08-27 13:08     ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-08-27 18:38       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-08-28 11:24         ` Alejandro Colomar
     [not found]           ` <CACqA6+mfaj6Viw+LVOG=nE350gQhCwVKXRzycVru5Oi4EJzgTg@mail.gmail.com>
2022-09-02 21:02             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-02 21:57               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 12:47                 ` Martin Uecker
2022-09-03 13:29                   ` Ingo Schwarze
2022-09-03 15:08                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 13:41                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 14:35                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-09-03 14:59                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-03 15:31                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-09-03 20:02                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-09-05 14:31                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10  0:06                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10  0:09                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10  1:33                             ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-10  1:39                               ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-10  6:21                                 ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-10 10:09                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 23:19                                   ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-10 23:28                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-11 19:52                                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-12  1:09                                       ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12  7:24                                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-12 12:34                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 12:46                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 13:03                                       ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 13:40                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 13:58                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 14:54                                           ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 15:35                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 17:02                                               ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-12 17:08                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-12 15:56                                             ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-13 13:19                                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 13:33                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 14:02                                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 14:58                                                     ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-13 15:15                                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 15:32                                                         ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-13 16:25                                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:28                                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:31                                                           ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:34                                                             ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 16:56                                                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-13 19:05                                                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-14 18:13                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-28 22:59                                                             ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-28 23:18                                                       ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-29  0:05                                                         ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-29 14:58                                                         ` Michael Matz
2022-11-29 15:17                                                           ` Uecker, Martin
2022-11-29 15:44                                                             ` Michael Matz
2022-11-29 16:58                                                               ` Uecker, Martin
2022-11-29 17:28                                                                 ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-29 16:49                                                           ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-29 16:53                                                             ` Jonathan Wakely
2022-11-29 17:00                                                               ` Martin Uecker
2022-11-29 17:19                                                                 ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-29 17:29                                                                   ` Alex Colomar
2022-12-03 21:03                                                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-03 21:13                                                                       ` Andrew Pinski
2022-12-03 21:15                                                                       ` Martin Uecker
2022-12-03 21:18                                                                         ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-12-06  2:08                                                                       ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-14 17:52                                                 ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-14 17:57                                                   ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-14 18:26                                                     ` Joseph Myers
2022-11-28 23:02                                                       ` Alex Colomar
2022-11-10  9:40                             ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-11-10 10:59                               ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 17:47                                 ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 18:04                                   ` MR macro 4th argument (was: [PATCH] Various pages: SYNOPSIS: Use VLA syntax in function parameters) Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 18:11                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 18:20                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 19:37                                     ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-10 20:41                                       ` Alejandro Colomar [this message]
2022-11-10 22:55                                     ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-11-10 23:55                                       ` Alejandro Colomar
2022-11-11  4:44                                         ` G. Branden Robinson
2022-11-10 22:25                                 ` [PATCH] Various pages: SYNOPSIS: Use VLA syntax in function parameters G. Branden Robinson

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