From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.0 (2014-02-07) on aws-us-west-2-korg-lkml-1.web.codeaurora.org Received: from vger.kernel.org (vger.kernel.org [23.128.96.18]) by smtp.lore.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD782EB64DD for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:29:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S231186AbjHMW33 (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:29:29 -0400 Received: from lindbergh.monkeyblade.net ([23.128.96.19]:45290 "EHLO lindbergh.monkeyblade.net" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S230292AbjHMW32 (ORCPT ); Sun, 13 Aug 2023 18:29:28 -0400 Received: from dfw.source.kernel.org (dfw.source.kernel.org [139.178.84.217]) by lindbergh.monkeyblade.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6C6BB19F for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 15:29:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smtp.kernel.org (relay.kernel.org [52.25.139.140]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by dfw.source.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 085C060E8E for ; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:29:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: by smtp.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D5BAC433C7; Sun, 13 Aug 2023 22:29:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=kernel.org; s=k20201202; t=1691965766; bh=cjIQZIWFsi2tfgL1FAyGPEfKrvDrNf6x9B+jT0ni3eg=; h=Date:Subject:From:To:Cc:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=fhySM/FiCm40PagrCrqBft2du96G+1ZkhIkd5kdDlkFHpiZnxlvPIp28jchI3N/Ep qMrzvnV26JAF+WvNrGNaYG7pJVMIuqdR/FDRORhH+zgPgF4zOA/hzKmUFSSP4tlcFW 5NOhw3ahgYPZi9tZrmUobqHxde4i+TBsq59ufo/LUpyHs6ne6NL7PmT+lU8EFrpRnp jNxZlZP0EeiwWHkfVPvyrvjSsqPEnPS36y2JF1K2cIm77L1ZwxsXWGN7CUUIQEnQEZ iGYqGGZZFzONJAHMBKbXgY3w7VAODg5UT5itIZIVOYGTwtlxLniARbUH47V9AU/RNu v2L3GsRYWcHdg== Message-ID: Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2023 00:29:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.13.1 Subject: Re: [PATCH] man-pages-posix-2017/man1p/dd.1p: added missing ASCII-EBCDIC tables Content-Language: en-US From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" , Eric Blake Cc: Brian Inglis , Linux Man-Pages References: <084cb8c0074b11327c68fb60b9c5c6238eed7df1.1691960082.git.Brian.Inglis@Shaw.ca> <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> <033cf8fb-5c84-d9eb-a01e-caff597a951b@kernel.org> Organization: Linux In-Reply-To: <033cf8fb-5c84-d9eb-a01e-caff597a951b@kernel.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------aSeA5Y0zDsmxYI5e2o4Rhh9u" Precedence: bulk List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-man@vger.kernel.org This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --------------aSeA5Y0zDsmxYI5e2o4Rhh9u Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------JQg20ybYz1bxpMUCKYHAh0gl"; protected-headers="v1" From: Alejandro Colomar To: "G. Branden Robinson" , Eric Blake Cc: Brian Inglis , Linux Man-Pages Message-ID: Subject: Re: [PATCH] man-pages-posix-2017/man1p/dd.1p: added missing ASCII-EBCDIC tables References: <084cb8c0074b11327c68fb60b9c5c6238eed7df1.1691960082.git.Brian.Inglis@Shaw.ca> <20230813222035.a5ybcqbpnzlapraz@illithid> <033cf8fb-5c84-d9eb-a01e-caff597a951b@kernel.org> In-Reply-To: <033cf8fb-5c84-d9eb-a01e-caff597a951b@kernel.org> --------------JQg20ybYz1bxpMUCKYHAh0gl Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2023-08-14 00:27, Alejandro Colomar wrote: > [+=3D Eric] >=20 > Hi Branden, Eric, >=20 > On 2023-08-14 00:20, G. Branden Robinson wrote: >> At 2023-08-13T23:30:30+0200, Alejandro Colomar wrote: >>> And also, I don't even have the sources, which makes things more >>> complex. >>> >>> I wish that POSIX allowed us to have a copy of the original source >>> code of the POSIX manual in the git repository. With that, I'd find >>> it more interesting to maintain the project again. >>> >>> I'd also like to know what's the original source code of POSIX's >>> manual, because it may very well be roff(7). If that happens to be >>> true, I'd like to have access to that source, instead of the HTML. >> >> My understanding from hermetic comments to the Austin Group mailing li= st >> over the years is that: >> >> 1. they have used groff for many years (a decade or more); >> 2. they don't use man(7) for their man pages (I was told this directly= ); >> >> and >> >> 3. they use (a customized version of) mm(7)--or I _think_ I saw someon= e >> say this, but I have no citation and I am not even sure it was an >> Open Group employee who claimed it. >=20 > I'd love to have the ms(7) source then. That way I would have a reason= > to learn ms(7). :) Oops, mm(7). > It would certainly be better than the HTML files. It would be > interesting to adapt the Linux man-pages build system to also support > ms(7) pages. >=20 >> >> We fixed a bunch of bugs in GNU mm for groff 1.23.0.[1] I wonder if >> they will be cross with me about that. Even if they didn't rely on an= y >> erstwhile misbehavior, the source churned, some internals changed, and= >> if they patched the package, I wouldn't count on the patches still >> applying cleanly. >> >>> Would you mind forwarding my rage towards the Open group, which IMO i= s >>> not so open? >> >> Maybe scrape off the rage first, or you might get a response from Robe= rt >> Elz, who is even more cantankerous and writes at even greater length >> than I do. ;-) >=20 > I promise to scrape the rage if I get a name and an email of who to tal= k > to. Maybe Eric can help. :) >=20 > Cheers, > Alex >=20 >> >> Some time ago I solicited bug reports against groff from them. So far= , >> nothing, unless they filed anonymously. >> >> Regards, >> Branden >> >> [1] https://savannah.gnu.org/bugs/index.php?go_report=3DApply&group=3D= groff&func=3Dbrowse&set=3Dcustom&msort=3D0&report_id=3D225&advsrch=3D0&bu= g_id=3D&summary=3D&submitted_by=3D0&resolution_id=3D1&assigned_to=3D0&bug= _group_id=3D0&status_id=3D3&severity=3D0&category_id=3D121&plan_release_i= d=3D103&history_search=3D0&history_field=3D0&history_event=3Dmodified&his= tory_date_dayfd=3D13&history_date_monthfd=3D8&history_date_yearfd=3D2023&= chunksz=3D50&spamscore=3D5&boxoptionwanted=3D1#options >=20 --=20 GPG key fingerprint: A9348594CE31283A826FBDD8D57633D441E25BB5 --------------JQg20ybYz1bxpMUCKYHAh0gl-- --------------aSeA5Y0zDsmxYI5e2o4Rhh9u Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="OpenPGP_signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="OpenPGP_signature" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEE6jqH8KTroDDkXfJAnowa+77/2zIFAmTZWUMACgkQnowa+77/ 2zJx1hAAkt5sqiMc+aN7KL2S7BBmQl9lfAmKGlTuHAtR+RDlvGAy0+WaCY/xDlzy Di9vV/eWXE0i+clR6GLb3Ly/JpKNPRJ7fxw9GroDiG6Dnh/d573YYKlTYtOs+H5Q 8FpaIc1+N1QoVLnHQdW/qQ8/WxhcoztZ1akJWKefQxgxJtgtQvu4Pk8VC3Miy+LN /EP5gA86JEUIUbHgu+mIRSdwsGlr5671cC4Yj4nriQdasRcI6L05KEmtuOW7lcOh ZLz9+zWqUqPX939n+0LOdO4vZun2/ZvGPDrYlaEng0IBjrmLK5nkyTwwbRazC9IF L1+LzTh9TRl2stSIZCJTotXKNYnmgUDYGoWhPGC1dsJWhkoZxR0bPDdvTjc5uz1x cs3a9Db4qp5+5D6QxiHHbuN3PrN/TpMsZ8s6Ege4y8icITZRtK/2afQxzT2ceod9 6NxAK9QzQkCQclryQ6kgVeEz7ze+5OjgNIoxcq+G14N+tqYCyn7EqcZQxtfeGvUo Uiad9h4yfDSOCj1D/vbvFc73obfUMGVFKscxcj+g191UR55Cl4fn6NZJr+dicBDJ s7ymZqlR59gVOx3nITxME/+VjEJ/p1ln1TC6dKkvKThzBEL6WfpEijmp2la3Vm4t m73DJgOZoyklQt4w8vvNQHAhzsSmH0Wm70Ps9QWe0JNq1+dgwTw= =2+aH -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------aSeA5Y0zDsmxYI5e2o4Rhh9u--