firmware

firmware

[Michele]

Hi,
I'm new here and i'm trying TM6061 driver from your repo. Actually I'm now 
able to make the module tm6000 and I find my card (wintv-hvr-900h) as card 9.
But when today for the first time my gentoo system recognize it I discovered 
that I need a firmware called "xc3028L-v36.fw".
 I searched a while over the net and it seems to be in vendor CD but it isn't, 
even downloading drivers from webpage I find a sys file but it is not 
tridvid.sys, it is called hcw66xxx.sys (and also it seems to be a 64bit 
version called  hcw66x64.sys). I tried both of them but nothing happend, I 
also try to find that file over internet but everytime file checks fail. 
Someone have some suggestion about where to find it?

Thanks
Michele

Re: firmware

[CityK]

Michele wrote:
> Hi,
> I'm new here and i'm trying TM6061 driver from your repo. Actually I'm now 
> able to make the module tm6000 and I find my card (wintv-hvr-900h) as card 9.
> But when today for the first time my gentoo system recognize it I discovered 
> that I need a firmware called "xc3028L-v36.fw".
>  I searched a while over the net and it seems to be in vendor CD but it isn't, 
> even downloading drivers from webpage I find a sys file but it is not 
> tridvid.sys, it is called hcw66xxx.sys (and also it seems to be a 64bit 
> version called  hcw66x64.sys). I tried both of them but nothing happend, I 
> also try to find that file over internet but everytime file checks fail. 
> Someone have some suggestion about where to find it?
>   

Follow the rabbit: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware

Re: firmware

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM, CityK <cityk@rogers.com> wrote:
> Michele wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I'm new here and i'm trying TM6061 driver from your repo. Actually I'm now
>> able to make the module tm6000 and I find my card (wintv-hvr-900h) as card 9.
>> But when today for the first time my gentoo system recognize it I discovered
>> that I need a firmware called "xc3028L-v36.fw".
>>  I searched a while over the net and it seems to be in vendor CD but it isn't,
>> even downloading drivers from webpage I find a sys file but it is not
>> tridvid.sys, it is called hcw66xxx.sys (and also it seems to be a 64bit
>> version called  hcw66x64.sys). I tried both of them but nothing happend, I
>> also try to find that file over internet but everytime file checks fail.
>> Someone have some suggestion about where to find it?
>>
>
> Follow the rabbit: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware
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CityK,

That actually wasn't a very helpful link you sent.  The user would
have to know he has a Xceive 3028L tuner, and even if he had been able
to figure that out, the page on the XC3028 and XC2028 pointed to on
that page makes no reference to getting the firmware for the low power
version of the chip.

Michele,

You can get the firmware here:

http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr1400/xc3028L-v36.fw

Devin

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Re: firmware

[CityK]

Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> CityK,
>
> That actually wasn't a very helpful link you sent ... the page on the XC3028 and XC2028 pointed to on
> that page makes no reference to getting the firmware for the low power version of the chip.
>
> Michele,
>
> You can get the firmware here:
>
> http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr1400/xc3028L-v36.fw
>   

My apologies, I first off, didn't notice the low power chip, and, in any
regard, even if I had, I was under the impression that it was documented
there.  I will amend that shortly.

Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM, CityK <cityk@rogers.com> wrote:
>>> Michele wrote:
>>>       
>>>> my gentoo system ... I need a firmware called "xc3028L-v36.fw"
>>> Follow the rabbit: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware
>>>
>>>       
> CityK,
> That actually wasn't a very helpful link you sent ... The user would
> have to know he has a Xceive 3028L tuner, and even if he had been able
> to figure that out, 
>   

I would hope that someone using Gentoo (hardly a hands off distro) would
be sharp enough to know how to follow the rabbit down the hole  ...
although I'd advise that they avoid sipping from any vessel labelled
with the words "Drink Me"

Re: firmware

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 5:13 PM, CityK <cityk@rogers.com> wrote:
>
> Devin Heitmueller wrote:
>> CityK,
>>
>> That actually wasn't a very helpful link you sent ... the page on the XC3028 and XC2028 pointed to on
>> that page makes no reference to getting the firmware for the low power version of the chip.
>>
>> Michele,
>>
>> You can get the firmware here:
>>
>> http://steventoth.net/linux/hvr1400/xc3028L-v36.fw
>>
>
> My apologies, I first off, didn't notice the low power chip, and, in any
> regard, even if I had, I was under the impression that it was documented
> there.  I will amend that shortly.
>
> Devin Heitmueller wrote:
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 3:38 PM, CityK <cityk@rogers.com> wrote:
>>>> Michele wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> my gentoo system ... I need a firmware called "xc3028L-v36.fw"
>>>> Follow the rabbit: http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Firmware
>>>>
>>>>
>> CityK,
>> That actually wasn't a very helpful link you sent ... The user would
>> have to know he has a Xceive 3028L tuner, and even if he had been able
>> to figure that out,
>>
>
> I would hope that someone using Gentoo (hardly a hands off distro) would
> be sharp enough to know how to follow the rabbit down the hole  ...
> although I'd advise that they avoid sipping from any vessel labelled
> with the words "Drink Me"
>

CityK,

Thanks for taking the time to update the docs.  Your efforts are appreciated.

Regards,

Devin

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Re: firmware

[Matthias Schwarzott]

On Sunday 15 February 2009 23:13, CityK wrote:
> Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> >
> > CityK,
> > That actually wasn't a very helpful link you sent ... The user would
> > have to know he has a Xceive 3028L tuner, and even if he had been able
> > to figure that out,
>
> I would hope that someone using Gentoo (hardly a hands off distro) would
> be sharp enough to know how to follow the rabbit down the hole  ...
> although I'd advise that they avoid sipping from any vessel labelled
> with the words "Drink Me"

I don't get you. What do you want for Gentoo? checking the wiki content about 
firmware?

Regards
Matthias

Re: firmware

[CityK]

Matthias Schwarzott  wrote:
> I don't get you. 

I was having a little fun.  My remarks contained references to Lewis
Carroll's "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland".

Nowadays, the expression "follow the rabbit" (which, stemming from
Alice's Adventures, is actually  abbreviated from the act of following
the rabbit down the hole) implies that one will discover something by
following the metaphorical rabbit (which, in this case, was the link to
wiki article on firmware, which itself  contained links to the xc3028 IC
family article).

Though perhaps not a particularly common expression, I'm sure that most
are familiar with it or have come across it in other forms and
presentations.  Pop culture, for example, has many such references --
take the movie "The Matrix", for example, in which, IIRC, the character
Morphieus invites Neo to "follow the rabbit"


> What do you want for Gentoo? checking the wiki content about firmware?

Gentoo is, typically, not associated as a beginners distro.  It,
generally speaking, requires or, at the very least,  affords the user
the opportunity to become more familiar with the underlining
architecture and mechanics of the OS.  One might be tempted to call that
a discovery process.

Hence, when a Gentoo user like Michele states that they require a
firmware entitled "xc3028L-v36.fw", I'm (rightly or wrongly) making an
implicit assumption that they would be perceptive enough to make the
relevant connection(s) and press forth when presented with a
metaphorical rabbit.

Re: firmware

[Jonathan Isom]

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On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, CityK <cityk@rogers.com> wrote:
> Matthias Schwarzott  wrote:
>> I don't get you.
>
> I was having a little fun.  My remarks contained references to Lewis
> Carroll's "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland".
>
> Nowadays, the expression "follow the rabbit" (which, stemming from
> Alice's Adventures, is actually  abbreviated from the act of following
> the rabbit down the hole) implies that one will discover something by
> following the metaphorical rabbit (which, in this case, was the link to
> wiki article on firmware, which itself  contained links to the xc3028 IC
> family article).
>
> Though perhaps not a particularly common expression, I'm sure that most
> are familiar with it or have come across it in other forms and
> presentations.  Pop culture, for example, has many such references --
> take the movie "The Matrix", for example, in which, IIRC, the character
> Morphieus invites Neo to "follow the rabbit"
>
>
>> What do you want for Gentoo? checking the wiki content about firmware?
>
> Gentoo is, typically, not associated as a beginners distro.  It,
> generally speaking, requires or, at the very least,  affords the user
> the opportunity to become more familiar with the underlining
> architecture and mechanics of the OS.  One might be tempted to call that
> a discovery process.

There is an ebuild "media-tv/linuxtv-dvb-firmware" that may have the required
firmware.


> Hence, when a Gentoo user like Michele states that they require a
> firmware entitled "xc3028L-v36.fw", I'm (rightly or wrongly) making an
> implicit assumption that they would be perceptive enough to make the
> relevant connection(s) and press forth when presented with a
> metaphorical rabbit.
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Re: firmware

[Matthias Schwarzott]

On Montag, 16. Februar 2009, Jonathan Isom wrote:
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> ASUS m3a78 mothorboard
> AMD Athlon64 X2 Dual Core Processor 6000+ 3.1Ghz
> Gigabyte NVidia 9400gt  Graphics adapter
> Kworld ATSC 110 TV Capture Card
> Kworld ATSC 115 TV Capture Card
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 12:00 PM, CityK <cityk@rogers.com> wrote:
> > Matthias Schwarzott  wrote:
> >> I don't get you.
> >
> > I was having a little fun.  My remarks contained references to Lewis
> > Carroll's "Alice's Adventures in Wonderland".
> >
> > Nowadays, the expression "follow the rabbit" (which, stemming from
> > Alice's Adventures, is actually  abbreviated from the act of following
> > the rabbit down the hole) implies that one will discover something by
> > following the metaphorical rabbit (which, in this case, was the link to
> > wiki article on firmware, which itself  contained links to the xc3028 IC
> > family article).
> >
> > Though perhaps not a particularly common expression, I'm sure that most
> > are familiar with it or have come across it in other forms and
> > presentations.  Pop culture, for example, has many such references --
> > take the movie "The Matrix", for example, in which, IIRC, the character
> > Morphieus invites Neo to "follow the rabbit"
> >
Ah yes, now it's clear.

Btw. I also had a longer look at the firmeware page in wiki and removed that 
note about gentoo using hotplug-scripts as that is false since a long time. 
CityK you are right, I think most (if not all) current distributions use udev 
to create device nodes and upload firmware into the kernel.


Yes this ebuild is there. But it is in some respect outdated, due to lack of 
maintaining. This ebuild fetches the original files get_dvb_firmware also 
fetches and the runs get_firmware to unpack them. (All this due to 
license/re-distribution issues as you all know).

But: These URLs tend to no longer work after some time, as manufacturers 
update their drivers or web-pages :(

So there should either be someone continuously updating them (in 
get_dvb_firmware and also here in copy).
Or: We find someone ignoring the licenses and hosting the extracted files 
somewhere.

Regards
Matthias

Aw: Re: firmware

[schollsky]

 


----- Original Nachricht ----
Matthias Schwarzott wrote:

> Yes this ebuild is there. But it is in some respect outdated, due to lack of
> 
> maintaining. This ebuild fetches the original files get_dvb_firmware also 
> fetches and the runs get_firmware to unpack them. (All this due to 
> license/re-distribution issues as you all know).
> 
> But: These URLs tend to no longer work after some time, as manufacturers 
> update their drivers or web-pages :(
> 
> So there should either be someone continuously updating them (in 
> get_dvb_firmware and also here in copy).
> Or: We find someone ignoring the licenses and hosting the extracted files 
> somewhere.

The script "get_dvb_firmware" itself needs to be updated. I'm willing to work on this
and update necessary links and test the script for some time here on Mandriva - as long
as you're willing to help me with other distros and in the process.

Any tips how to begin please?

Kind regards,

schollsky

Re: Aw: Re: firmware

[CityK]

schollsky@arcor.de wrote:
>  
>
>
> ----- Original Nachricht ----
> Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
>
>   
>> Yes this ebuild is there. But it is in some respect outdated, due to lack of
>>
>> maintaining. This ebuild fetches the original files get_dvb_firmware also 
>> fetches and the runs get_firmware to unpack them. (All this due to 
>> license/re-distribution issues as you all know).
>>
>> But: These URLs tend to no longer work after some time, as manufacturers 
>> update their drivers or web-pages :(
>>
>> So there should either be someone continuously updating them (in 
>> get_dvb_firmware and also here in copy).
>> Or: We find someone ignoring the licenses and hosting the extracted files 
>> somewhere.
>>     
>
> The script "get_dvb_firmware" itself needs to be updated. I'm willing to work on this
> and update necessary links and test the script for some time here on Mandriva - as long
> as you're willing to help me with other distros and in the process.
>
> Any tips how to begin please?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> schollsky
>   

Hi schollsky,  that would definitely be welcomed.  You can submit
patches against get_dvb_firmware; follow instructions here:
http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Development:_How_to_submit_patches

Re: firmware

[CityK]

Matthias Schwarzott wrote:
> Btw. I also had a longer look at the firmeware page in wiki and removed that 
> note about gentoo using hotplug-scripts as that is false since a long time. 
> CityK you are right, I think most (if not all) current distributions use udev 
> to create device nodes and upload firmware into the kernel.
>
>
> Yes this ebuild is there. But it is in some respect outdated, due to lack of 
> maintaining. This ebuild fetches the original files get_dvb_firmware also 
> fetches and the runs get_firmware to unpack them. (All this due to 
> license/re-distribution issues as you all know).
>   
Okay, thanks Matthias.

> But: These URLs tend to no longer work after some time, as manufacturers 
> update their drivers or web-pages :(
>
> So there should either be someone continuously updating them (in 
> get_dvb_firmware and also here in copy).
> Or: We find someone ignoring the licenses and hosting the extracted files 
> somewhere.
>
> Regards
> Matthias

I think we are stuck with the former.  But, fortunately, it looks like
schollsky is willing to be the point man :)