From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from opensource.wolfsonmicro.com ([80.75.67.52]:56852 "EHLO opensource.wolfsonmicro.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S933255Ab1LFOTc (ORCPT ); Tue, 6 Dec 2011 09:19:32 -0500 Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2011 14:19:29 +0000 From: Mark Brown To: Andreas Oberritter Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab , HoP , Florian Fainelli , Alan Cox , linux-media@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: [RFC] vtunerc: virtual DVB device - is it ok to NACK driver because of worrying about possible misusage? Message-ID: <20111206141929.GE17731@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com> References: <4ED75F53.30709@redhat.com> <20111202231909.1ca311e2@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> <4EDC9B17.2080701@gmail.com> <4EDD01BA.40208@redhat.com> <4EDD2C82.7040804@linuxtv.org> <20111206112153.GC17194@sirena.org.uk> <4EDE0427.2050307@linuxtv.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4EDE0427.2050307@linuxtv.org> Sender: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 01:01:43PM +0100, Andreas Oberritter wrote: > On 06.12.2011 12:21, Mark Brown wrote: > > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 09:41:38PM +0100, Andreas Oberritter wrote: > >> Are you serious? Lower networking layers should be transparent to the > >> upper layers. You don't implement VPN or say TCP in all of your > >> applications, do you? These are just some more made-up arguments which > >> don't have anything to do with the use cases I explained earlier. > > For real time applications it does make a big difference - decisions > > taken at the application level can greatly impact end application > > performance. For example with VoIP on a LAN you can get great audio > Can you please explain how this relates to the topic we're discussing? Your assertatation that applications should ignore the underlying transport (which seems to be a big part of what you're saying) isn't entirely in line with reality.