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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com>
To: Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com>
Cc: Daniel Vetter <daniel.vetter@ffwll.ch>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Keith Packard <keithp@keithp.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Subject: Re: Kernel docs: muddying the waters a bit
Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2016 10:04:27 -0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20160218100427.6471cb22@recife.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87r3gadzye.fsf@intel.com>

Em Thu, 18 Feb 2016 13:23:37 +0200
Jani Nikula <jani.nikula@intel.com> escreveu:

> On Thu, 18 Feb 2016, Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@osg.samsung.com> wrote:
> > For simple documents like the one produced by kernel-doc, I guess
> > all markup languages would work equally.
> >
> > The problem is for complex documents like the media kAPI one, where
> > the document was written to produce a book. So, it uses some complex
> > features found at DocBook. One of such features we use extensively
> > is the capability of having a table with per-line columns. This way,
> > we can produce things like:
> >
> > V4L2_CID_COLOR_KILLER	boolean	Enable the color killer (i. e. force a black & white image in case of a weak video signal).
> > V4L2_CID_COLORFX	enum	Selects a color effect. The following values are defined:
> > 				V4L2_COLORFX_NONE 		Color effect is disabled.
> > 				V4L2_COLORFX_ANTIQUE 		An aging (old photo) effect.
> > 				V4L2_COLORFX_ART_FREEZE 	Frost color effect.
> >
> > In the above example, we have a main 3 columns table, and we embed
> > a 2 columns table at the third field of V4L2_CID_COLORFX to represent
> > possible values for this menu control.
> >
> > See https://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/control.html for the
> > complete output of it.
> >
> > This is used extensively inside the media DocBook, and properly
> > supporting it is one of our major concerns.
> >
> > Are there any way to represent those things with the markup
> > languages currently being analyzed?
> >
> > Converting those tables will likely require manual work, as I don't
> > think automatic tools will properly handle it, specially since we
> > use some DocBook macros to help creating such tables.  
> 
> Since I've let myself be told that asciidoc handles tables better than
> reStructuredText, I tested this a bit with the presumably inferior one.
> 
> rst has two table types, simple tables and grid tables [1]. It seems
> like grid tables can do pretty much anything, but they can be cumbersome
> to work with. So I tried to check what can be done with simple tables.
> 
> Here's a sample, converted using rst2html (Sphinx will be prettier, but
> rst2html works for simple things like this):
> 
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~jani/v4l-table-within-table.rst
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~jani/v4l-table-within-table.html

Yes, this would work. Can we remove the border from the main table?
I guess it would be nicer.

> 
> Rather than using nested tables, you might want to consider using
> definition lists within tables:
> 
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~jani/v4l-definition-list-within-table.rst
> https://people.freedesktop.org/~jani/v4l-definition-list-within-table.html
> 
> You be the judge, but I think this is workable.

It is workable, but I guess nested tables produced a better result.

I did myself a test with nested tables with asciidoc too:

https://mchehab.fedorapeople.org/media-kabi-docs-test/pandoc_asciidoc/table.html
https://mchehab.fedorapeople.org/media-kabi-docs-test/pandoc_asciidoc/table.ascii

With looks very decent to me.

I had to manually add the nested table, as pandoc conversion sent the
DocBook's nested table to /dev/null.

Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2016-02-18 12:04 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2016-02-18 10:26             ` Kernel docs: muddying the waters a bit Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-18 11:23               ` Jani Nikula
2016-02-18 12:04                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2016-02-18 12:07                   ` Hans Verkuil
2016-02-18 12:44                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-02-18 13:34                       ` Patrick Boettcher
2016-03-03 14:03 ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-03 14:13   ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-03-03 14:34     ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-03-03 15:17       ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-03-03 15:45         ` Daniel Vetter
2016-03-03 18:50     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-03 23:23       ` Keith Packard
2016-03-04  1:19         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-04  8:29           ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-04  8:59             ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-04 12:59             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-04 14:09               ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-06  2:29                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-06 23:29                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-07  8:48                     ` Johannes Stezenbach
2016-03-07 12:15                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-07 12:19                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-04  7:28         ` Russel Winder
2016-03-04  7:46           ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-08  4:53             ` Russel Winder
     [not found]           ` <CAKeHnO6sSV1x2xh_HgbD5ddZ8rp+SVvbdjVhczhudc9iv_-UCQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-08  9:49             ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-08 11:29               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]                 ` <CAKeHnO7R25knFH07+3trdi0ZotsrEE+5ZzDZXdx33+DUW=q2Ug@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-08 13:39                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-08 15:39                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-09 21:27                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-10 10:25                         ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-10 15:21                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-13 15:33                             ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-08 15:12                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-12  9:18                                 ` Hans Verkuil
2016-04-12 15:46                                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-04-18  9:49                                   ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-27 14:28                                   ` Grant Likely
2016-05-03 14:31                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-03 15:54                                       ` Keith Packard
2016-05-04  9:34                                       ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-04  9:58                                         ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 12:40                                           ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-04 13:41                                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 15:09                                               ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-04 13:43                                             ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 14:18                                               ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 14:57                                                 ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-04 15:02                                                   ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 16:32                                                     ` Daniel Vetter
2016-05-04 15:44                                                   ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 16:38                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-04 15:55                                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-04 16:13                                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-04 16:50                                                   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-04 16:59                                                     ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-04 17:57                                                       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-05 13:02                                                         ` Jonathan Corbet
2016-05-05 13:23                                                           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-06 11:23                                                   ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 11:44                                                     ` Markus Heiser
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2016-05-06 14:27                                                           ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 15:06                                                             ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-06 15:23                                                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-06 15:35                                                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 15:52                                                                 ` Jani Nikula
2016-05-06 15:14                                                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-04 16:15                                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-05-06 10:05                                           ` Markus Heiser
     [not found]                                             ` <20160506080304.56307066@recife.lan>
2016-05-06 16:26                                               ` Markus Heiser
2016-05-06 17:06                                                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]                                 ` <20160412105850.50e02108@recife.lan>
2016-04-18  8:10                                   ` Markus Heiser
2016-04-18 11:16                                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
     [not found]               ` <CAKeHnO7_7k8Qc5Jmu_x2OzAVT4YXxW8PSe_m6QUP-8V7XxbTVw@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-08 13:30                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2016-03-08 13:58                 ` Jani Nikula
     [not found]                   ` <CAKeHnO7e5Escm0Ndm50eFX-qUXf7Lg9n=iXvwUGjz2M4KHLMsQ@mail.gmail.com>
2016-03-09  8:57                     ` Jani Nikula
2016-03-07  3:48   ` Jonathan Corbet

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