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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@s-opensource.com>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: linux-media@vger.kernel.org, Hans Verkuil <hansverk@cisco.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCHv2 4/9] media: add function field to struct media_entity_desc
Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2018 09:02:03 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20180417090203.78749a55@vento.lan> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <82209f28-f125-833d-cc40-3c48accac366@xs4all.nl>

Em Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:48:56 +0200
Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> escreveu:

> On 04/16/2018 09:40 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
> > Em Mon, 16 Apr 2018 21:27:01 +0200
> > Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> escreveu:
> >   
> >> On 04/16/2018 08:01 PM, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:  
> >>> Em Mon, 16 Apr 2018 15:21:16 +0200
> >>> Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl> escreveu:
> >>>     
> >>>> From: Hans Verkuil <hansverk@cisco.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> This adds support for 'proper' functions to the existing API.
> >>>> This information was before only available through the new v2
> >>>> API, with this change it's available to both.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, the plan is to allow entities to expose multiple functions for
> >>>> multi-function devices, but we do not support it anywhere so this
> >>>> is still vaporware.    
> >>>
> >>> I'm not convinced about that. I would, instead, just keep it as-is
> >>> and be sure that applications stop use the legacy calls.    
> >>
> >> You can't. First of all, since the new API does not provide the pad index
> >> (fixed in patch 6/9) it is impossible to use the new API with any driver
> >> that supports SETUP_LINK.  
> > 
> > Yeah, unfortunately, the properties API was just an empty promise.
> > 
> > Anyway, as you said, patch 6/9 solves it.
> >   
> >> So any such driver that uses any of the newer
> >> subdevs with a function that is mapped to MEDIA_ENT_T_DEVNODE_UNKNOWN
> >> is currently not reporting that correctly. A good example is the
> >> imx driver. But also others if they are combined with such newer subdevs.  
> > 
> > As far as I remember, other drivers also return MEDIA_ENT_F_UNKNOWN
> > (with also maps to MEDIA_ENT_T_DEVNODE_UNKNOWN) even via the new API, 
> > as the developer never cared to fill the entity function, even 
> > producing warnings.
> >   
> >> There is nothing wrong with the old API, except for not reporting the
> >> proper function value in field 'type' due to historical concerns.  
> > 
> > There is. That's why we took about one year developing a new API.  
> 
> If you don't need the new functionality (like interfaces), then it is
> perfectly fine. It's been in use for many years now.
> 
> >   
> >> There is NO WAY we can suddenly prohibit applications from using the old
> >> API since the new API was never usable. And besides that, we have no method
> >> of knowing who uses the old API since such applications are likely custom
> >> for specific hardware.  
> > 
> > Nobody is forbidding anything. We're just freezing it, as its
> > functionality was superseded.
> >   
> >> All that is really missing in the 'old' API (I hate the terms 'old' and
> >> 'new', they are misleading) is a proper 'function' field. Let's just add it
> >> and make it consistent with the documentation about entity functions.  
> > 
> > It misses interfaces - with is needed to identify what interface controls
> > what.  
> 
> Sure, but for most use cases interfaces are not needed. But reporting the correct
> function is very useful, makes the API consistent with the documentation (which
> only talks about functions and no longer refers to types) and the new API and it
> is trivial to add.
> 
> I'm not advocating any further chances, but while writing the compliance tests
> for this it was incredibly ugly to have this mismatch between 'type' and 'function'.

I'm not a big fan of this patch. IMHO, we should really try to
not touch APIs that are replaced by a newer version, but let's
hear for other opinions about this particular change.

> 
> The function of an entity is a critical piece of information, and having it
> clamped to UNKNOWN for the newer functions is just wrong.

As I said before, just the changes on this patchset won't solve it, as
several drivers simply don't initialize the subdev type/function.

> Regards,
> 
> 	Hans
> 
> >   
> >>  
> >>>     
> >>>>
> >>>> Signed-off-by: Hans Verkuil <hansverk@cisco.com>
> >>>> ---
> >>>>  drivers/media/media-device.c | 1 +
> >>>>  include/uapi/linux/media.h   | 7 ++++++-
> >>>>  2 files changed, 7 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> >>>>
> >>>> diff --git a/drivers/media/media-device.c b/drivers/media/media-device.c
> >>>> index 7c3ab37c258a..dca1e5a3e0f9 100644
> >>>> --- a/drivers/media/media-device.c
> >>>> +++ b/drivers/media/media-device.c
> >>>> @@ -115,6 +115,7 @@ static long media_device_enum_entities(struct media_device *mdev,
> >>>>  	if (ent->name)
> >>>>  		strlcpy(entd->name, ent->name, sizeof(entd->name));
> >>>>  	entd->type = ent->function;
> >>>> +	entd->function = ent->function;
> >>>>  	entd->revision = 0;		/* Unused */    
> >>>
> >>> I got confused here, until I went to the code and noticed that
> >>> entd->type is actually touched after this.
> >>>
> >>> If we're willing to do that, you should add a comment there explaining
> >>> why we need to pass both type and function to userspace.    
> >>
> >> True.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> 	Hans
> >>  
> >>>     
> >>>>  	entd->flags = ent->flags;
> >>>>  	entd->group_id = 0;		/* Unused */
> >>>> diff --git a/include/uapi/linux/media.h b/include/uapi/linux/media.h
> >>>> index 86c7dcc9cba3..ac08acffdb65 100644
> >>>> --- a/include/uapi/linux/media.h
> >>>> +++ b/include/uapi/linux/media.h
> >>>> @@ -146,6 +146,10 @@ struct media_device_info {
> >>>>  /* OR with the entity id value to find the next entity */
> >>>>  #define MEDIA_ENT_ID_FLAG_NEXT			(1 << 31)
> >>>>  
> >>>> +/* Appeared in 4.18.0 */
> >>>> +#define MEDIA_ENTITY_DESC_HAS_FUNCTION(media_version) \
> >>>> +	((media_version) >= 0x00041200)
> >>>> +
> >>>>  struct media_entity_desc {
> >>>>  	__u32 id;
> >>>>  	char name[32];
> >>>> @@ -155,8 +159,9 @@ struct media_entity_desc {
> >>>>  	__u32 group_id;
> >>>>  	__u16 pads;
> >>>>  	__u16 links;
> >>>> +	__u32 function;
> >>>>  
> >>>> -	__u32 reserved[4];
> >>>> +	__u32 reserved[3];
> >>>>  
> >>>>  	union {
> >>>>  		/* Node specifications */    
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Mauro
> >>>     
> >>  
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Mauro
> >   
> 



Thanks,
Mauro

  reply	other threads:[~2018-04-17 12:02 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-04-16 13:21 [PATCHv2 0/9] media/mc: fix inconsistencies Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 1/9] v4l2-mediabus.h: add hsv_enc Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 18:12   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 2/9] subdev-formats.rst: fix incorrect types Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 3/9] media.h: remove __NEED_MEDIA_LEGACY_API Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 17:56   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 4/9] media: add function field to struct media_entity_desc Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 18:01   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 19:27     ` Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 19:40       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 19:48         ` Hans Verkuil
2018-04-17 12:02           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 5/9] media-ioc-enum-entities.rst: document new 'function' field Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 18:02   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 6/9] media: add 'index' to struct media_v2_pad Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 18:03   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 18:09     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 19:41       ` Hans Verkuil
2018-04-17  9:59         ` Hans Verkuil
2018-04-17 11:55           ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-17 12:01             ` Hans Verkuil
2018-04-17 12:16               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-17 12:19                 ` Hans Verkuil
2018-06-15 13:14                   ` Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 7/9] media-ioc-g-topology.rst: document new 'index' field Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 18:04   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 8/9] media: add flags field to struct media_v2_entity Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 13:21 ` [PATCHv2 9/9] media-ioc-g-topology.rst: document new 'flags' field Hans Verkuil
2018-04-16 18:10   ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab

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