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x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu) Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-media@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Em Tue, 8 Apr 2025 08:42:58 +0200 Hans Verkuil escreveu: > On 08/04/2025 07:31, Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote: > > Em Mon, 7 Apr 2025 22:39:09 +0300 > > Laurent Pinchart escreveu: > > > >> I would like to propose the following topic. > >> > >> Review of the status of staging drivers > >> > >> We have a set of 11 drivers in drivers/staging/media/, with various > >> states of maturity and development activity. > > > > On a quick look, we have there: > > > > 1. source "drivers/staging/media/atomisp/Kconfig" > > 2. source "drivers/staging/media/av7110/Kconfig" > > 3. source "drivers/staging/media/imx/Kconfig" > > 4. source "drivers/staging/media/ipu3/Kconfig" > > 5. source "drivers/staging/media/max96712/Kconfig" > > 6. source "drivers/staging/media/meson/vdec/Kconfig" > > 7. source "drivers/staging/media/rkvdec/Kconfig" > > 8. source "drivers/staging/media/starfive/Kconfig" > > 9. source "drivers/staging/media/sunxi/Kconfig" > > 10. source "drivers/staging/media/tegra-video/Kconfig" > > 11. source "drivers/staging/media/deprecated/atmel/Kconfig" > > > >> drivers/staging/ is not meant as a place for drivers to die, > > > > It is, actually: we usually move things there before dropping, > > because, on most cases, they could be salvaged if someone is > > interested on it. > > > >> we should nudge the relevant > >> maintainers and consider dropping drivers that show no hope of > >> progressing. > > > > Fully agreed. > > > > - > > > > Yet, while it makes sense to have action plans for drivers on staging, > > I don't think that the Media Summit is the best place to discuss, > > as people that might be involved with them may not be able to > > participate there. > > Actually, I think quite a few of the relevant people will be there. Good! Still, before taking any decisions/actions of dropping drivers, we'll need to have discussions via ML. > And I think it doesn't hurt to go through the list once a year. Sure. > > Regards, > > Hans > > > > > See, there are different situations there, like: > > > > - platform drivers: at worse case, those should be removed when > > the core/DT support for such platform is removed. We removed > > several such drivers in the past. We can also remove them earlier, > > if there are reasons for doing that and nobody is complaining; > > > > - drivers like atomisp that takes a lot of efforts to be promoted. > > As long as I see some progress (and we've been seeing progress > > on every kernel version), I can't see any reason why removing it. > > > > - drivers like ipu3, which is for an entire family of PC CPUs. > > I prefer not dropping drivers like these unless we have very good > > reasons to do so. On the other hand, we are seeing very little > > progress on those. > > > > Anyway, better to split this into different threads, copying > > the people involved on the recent changes for such drivers. > > > > Regards, > > Mauro >