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From: Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca>
To: Mostafa Saleh <smostafa@google.com>
Cc: Jiri Pirko <jiri@resnulli.us>,
	dri-devel@lists.freedesktop.org, linaro-mm-sig@lists.linaro.org,
	iommu@lists.linux.dev, linux-media@vger.kernel.org,
	sumit.semwal@linaro.org, benjamin.gaignard@collabora.com,
	Brian.Starkey@arm.com, jstultz@google.com, tjmercier@google.com,
	christian.koenig@amd.com, m.szyprowski@samsung.com,
	robin.murphy@arm.com, leon@kernel.org, sean.anderson@linux.dev,
	ptesarik@suse.com, catalin.marinas@arm.com,
	aneesh.kumar@kernel.org, suzuki.poulose@arm.com,
	steven.price@arm.com, thomas.lendacky@amd.com,
	john.allen@amd.com, ashish.kalra@amd.com,
	suravee.suthikulpanit@amd.com, linux-coco@lists.linux.dev
Subject: Re: [PATCH net-next v3 0/2] dma-buf: heaps: system: add an option to allocate explicitly decrypted memory
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2026 09:24:16 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <20260324122416.GD8437@ziepe.ca> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAFgf54qoFhvVR2yfROGaTJmLcjuLACswVFv=trqgJwGb_DB3zA@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 12:14:36PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 24, 2026 at 12:01 PM Jason Gunthorpe <jgg@ziepe.ca> wrote:
> >
> > On Tue, Mar 17, 2026 at 01:24:13PM +0000, Mostafa Saleh wrote:
> >
> > > On the other hand, for restricted-dma, the memory decryption is deep
> > > in the DMA direct memory allocation and the DMA API callers (for ex
> > > virtio drivers) are clueless about it and can’t pass any attrs.
> > > My proposal was specific to restricted-dma and won’t work for your case.
> >
> > How is this any different from CC?
> >
> > If the device cannot dma to "encrypted" memory, whatever that means
> > for you, then the DMA API:
> >  - Makes dma alloc coherent return "decrypted" memory, and the built
> >    in mapping of coherent memory knows about this
> >  - Makes dma_map_xxx use SWIOTLB to bounce to decrypted memory
> >
> > There is no need for something like virtio drivers to be aware of
> > any of this.
> >
> > On the other hand if the driver deliberately allocates decrypted
> > memory without using DMA API alloc coherent then it knows it did it
> > and can pass the flag to map it.
> >
> 
> The problem is that the DMA API currently gets confused by this; it
> can end up double decrypting the memory or using the wrong functions
> as mentioned in [1]

I fully belive there are bugs, but the API design is sound. If you use
the coherent allocations from the DMA API then it knows decryption has
happened when it generates a dma_addr_t and there should be no issue.

Now, if drivers are using the DMA API wrong, like trying to double map
coherent allocations then they are broken. I also would not be
surprised to find cases like this.

Jason

  reply	other threads:[~2026-03-24 12:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-03-05 12:36 [PATCH net-next v3 0/2] dma-buf: heaps: system: add an option to allocate explicitly decrypted memory Jiri Pirko
2026-03-05 12:36 ` [PATCH net-next v3 1/2] dma-mapping: introduce DMA_ATTR_CC_DECRYPTED for pre-decrypted memory Jiri Pirko
2026-03-08 10:19   ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-03-09  8:57     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-09 13:15     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-09 14:02       ` Leon Romanovsky
2026-03-09 15:18         ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-09 17:51           ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-12  0:34             ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-12  9:03               ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-12 12:06                 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-12 13:27                   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-09 12:56   ` Petr Tesarik
2026-03-09 13:01     ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-09 13:17     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-11 14:19       ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-05 12:36 ` [PATCH net-next v3 2/2] dma-buf: heaps: system: add system_cc_decrypted heap for explicitly decrypted memory Jiri Pirko
2026-03-09 15:39   ` Peter Gonda
2026-03-09 15:50     ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-05 12:40 ` [PATCH net-next v3 0/2] dma-buf: heaps: system: add an option to allocate " Jiri Pirko
2026-03-17 13:24 ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-03-17 13:37   ` Jiri Pirko
2026-03-17 15:40     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-03-24 12:00   ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-24 12:14     ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-03-24 12:24       ` Jason Gunthorpe [this message]
2026-03-24 17:36         ` Mostafa Saleh
2026-03-24 17:57           ` Jason Gunthorpe
2026-03-24 18:32             ` Mostafa Saleh

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