From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id B5E5E4248AA for ; Wed, 15 Jul 2026 19:12:21 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784142747; cv=none; b=prSracl9tpmrtHr4sKaULYkh9IG4uwAeRBr3HBk0H1s0kd207M2dqdl7WOZW8v/JQKnFbK9TEeVGO1B4Y1gNgLLk9goxt3NBKq9Vkkkf05fm9LtBRNezgTy4vVIvLz+ngHZQ7u6s+II8v8InU6XUnOA7/Rd4NDD+dFl4eLOL8l0= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1784142747; c=relaxed/simple; bh=OzWTjCaevKfC9wmXHd3PIHD/JiI579dbo5M5Z/pL7eI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=GfMRBlOuJgdlOs8XRtAom+0wY1oqOsWrbMt/GimOfySESw1CHxgQxVsMUzleWynGZe56QJJP8um/e4iPq6AAMYXxJ6xklxIitTa7aMyPmoxwgQGEGDDrWVkv2S1Mo+h53fHHzNrlwFo/usiznxEv2cVaZCcZc9EKHWd9m0EHDmM= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=g1J8gLsa; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="g1J8gLsa" Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (2001-14ba-70f3-e800--a06.rev.dnainternet.fi [IPv6:2001:14ba:70f3:e800::a06]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E3BE0104C; Wed, 15 Jul 2026 21:11:22 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1784142683; bh=OzWTjCaevKfC9wmXHd3PIHD/JiI579dbo5M5Z/pL7eI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=g1J8gLsaFJqLLzxi0lPYhs0+JYaDZyF8qnbdxUzKbnlpKXIQ7ASUvhwoaPukUmGbG rwZ9E3XweMhhzmV76SvCS0/55OA+W06Rl/x43vBTEN4L8D45u+QrqdvbFs+IwCtHRc zeUS0c151w0u9MtA0Mnd25JVEruJVpPuH9+cTlNc= Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2026 22:12:16 +0300 From: Laurent Pinchart To: Nicolas Dufresne Cc: Jori Koolstra , Linus Torvalds , Roman Gushchin , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Derek Barbosa , Matthieu Baerts , Konstantin Ryabitsev , Jason Gunthorpe , Steven Rostedt , users@kernel.org, Linux Media Mailing List , Stephen Finucane Subject: Re: Linking Patchwork with Sashiko? Message-ID: <20260715191216.GM1778116@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <20260715005909.GF1656185@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <4928C919-7999-4E76-ADCB-F8643FED105B@linux.dev> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-media@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: On Wed, Jul 15, 2026 at 02:13:12PM -0400, Nicolas Dufresne wrote: > Le mercredi 15 juillet 2026 à 14:21 +0200, Jori Koolstra a écrit : > > While there is some truly ridiculous anti-LLM brigading in some open > > source projects, I feel like saying it is just another tool does not do > > justice to some of the harm that is done by that industry. Also, > > precisely because of the usefulness of LLMs, I worry about creating an > > uneven playing field, where new contributors can't keep up if they can't > > afford the needed tools (something that is not as much the case with > > compilers.) > > So "fairness" is likely one of the numerous ethical concerns that can drive > activist against LLM (in the sense of people actively avoiding it, boycotting > for the real extreme one, but I want to include mild cases too) in contrast to > luddite, that just don't accept the technology to provide any meaningful result. > I'm personally interested in learning more about each and every ethical > concerns, as this is needed to either fixi or mitigate the social issues this > technology is creating. > > On this aspect specifically, Sashiko is provided equally to the Linux community. > This is very unlike coding agent, which capabilities and performance are highly > tailored to your capability to pay. In that sense, fairness is minimally > mitigated. I say mitigated considering someone have to pay for the compute and > because its currently running off proprietary owned models, also require paying > for extra royalties (which is an interesting ethical discussion in itself I > suppose). Smaller projects may not have that level of donation or budget. Or will to pay money to companies with dubious ethics (a strong understatement). -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart