From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from perceval.ideasonboard.com (perceval.ideasonboard.com [213.167.242.64]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0ABA537F726 for ; Wed, 23 Sep 2026 07:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1790148867; cv=none; b=tG4HtMuqQrt+2b/fdum4Mrw41GO4nVlEsVJpuUFEOhZv6GFkdhDw5wj0I3g5jWgcJVu5dNZhKkwgefUvLdLAsuntP2UKNZlqrE3YQXGE6T53XYO0hCp2kAu7+pSeyPoTnTM+RcupXpBt/D2fCun0I0+oJak5GF98E8PD/poN+8E= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1790148867; c=relaxed/simple; bh=3x+CTRJ5OoEkng7lmRHKFDHz0bGekGi3k9+xahJYKK0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:References:MIME-Version: Content-Type:Content-Disposition:In-Reply-To; b=lh4oSyavJsW5YTV1QbyEVHLtkYSX59UpGSLX5dMjTwon+2MVa4wPEfXNi52yiqVAcq1FOkIn7hU1ZPdt1cS7a8LfiiPvYXzEIvFJWEiHi+FpQC3bHBU+rLptoJDi8Hhg3QH5ndIFRO6OM2VUWr5RGQVXzLBmvHmX169GCpbwGDY= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b=nDBtFyXT; arc=none smtp.client-ip=213.167.242.64 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=pass (p=none dis=none) header.from=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=ideasonboard.com Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dkim=pass (1024-bit key) header.d=ideasonboard.com header.i=@ideasonboard.com header.b="nDBtFyXT" Received: from killaraus.ideasonboard.com (2001-14ba-70f3-e800--a06.rev.dnainternet.fi [IPv6:2001:14ba:70f3:e800::a06]) by perceval.ideasonboard.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C8AF1B46; Wed, 23 Sep 2026 09:32:36 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=ideasonboard.com; s=mail; t=1790148757; bh=3x+CTRJ5OoEkng7lmRHKFDHz0bGekGi3k9+xahJYKK0=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:From; b=nDBtFyXTrIm2tFam1699OU61Fjv3+mojjXaiZIz518OPTyHg1ui7WvQLVWOdzKFuJ cERvpdmk3HdycizLNzFUmePT8bo+NyZA3OyTRLngm5LYpTQvpuIjRQ3/pWhAr7srbo xtjLHI/5thQzcomrWVV3+/2Vk86GBTBUMfJqDNQE= Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2026 10:34:21 +0300 From: Laurent Pinchart To: Hans Verkuil Cc: Linux Media Mailing List , Mauro Carvalho Chehab , Hans de Goede Subject: Re: RFC: Remove gspca and old ISA radio drivers Message-ID: <20260923073421.GA3532@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> References: <8d8203ba-a406-4730-9493-dbab8b3ec831@kernel.org> <20260922155509.GA2471124@killaraus.ideasonboard.com> <7be9601a-cd2e-43b8-abd3-96dd2cc8a38f@kernel.org> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-media@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <7be9601a-cd2e-43b8-abd3-96dd2cc8a38f@kernel.org> On Wed, Sep 23, 2026 at 08:29:58AM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote: > On 22/09/2026 17:55, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2026 at 05:37:03PM +0200, Hans Verkuil wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Would there be any objection to removing the gspca driver for all those old > >> webcams with horrible quality and that nobody should be using anyway, and > >> for the old ISA radio drivers where I am pretty sure I'm the only one that > >> can actually test them (and even that is questionable). > >> > >> I could move them to staging/deprecated for a kernel cycle, but to be honest > >> I think we should just kick them out. > > > > No objection from me. gspca doesn't bother me though, as it's quite > > self-contained. I would be happier to see the em28xx driver go when it > > will be time, as it's one of the few users of some legacy subdev APIs I > > would like to drop. As far as I understand, that driver is however more > > widely used. > > That's still in use, and quite a lot too. I still get patches adding support > for new em28xx products. If you want to get rid of legacy in that driver, > then it is best to get em28xx based hardware and make patches. This driver > won't go away any time soon. Yes, I know. I was expressing a long term wish :-) > >> It also allows me to throw away a lot of old hardware and make some room for > >> new hardware :-) > > > > I wonder if some computer science museums would have an interest in > > those. I suppose they're not the most interesting devices. > > Not old enough, and not special enough. > > Now, I also have one of the first consumer webcams (Connectix QuickCam, > parallel port, grayscale), that one might indeed be of interest for a museum. At the very least for the section of the museum aimed at generating reactions along the line of "PEOPLE DID THAT????" :-) -- Regards, Laurent Pinchart