[linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

Hi,

I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with Kaffeine 
0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange problem. With my 
Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 euro), I can only switch 
without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I tune directly to position 3 it 
won't lock.

However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however is 
completely unreachable.

On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.

Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their switches 
possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 4/1 switch 
works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 all work 
perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it looks like a 7 
euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 
41-02 probably won't.

I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of an 
expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what to do.

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[Doru Marin]

Hi,

Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands or 
tone/voltage changes ?
Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, H/V, 
etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be more useful.

P. van Gaans wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with Kaffeine 
> 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange problem. With my 
> Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 euro), I can only switch 
> without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I tune directly to position 3 it 
> won't lock.
>
> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however is 
> completely unreachable.
>
> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>
> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their switches 
> possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 4/1 switch 
> works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 all work 
> perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it looks like a 7 
> euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 
> 41-02 probably won't.
>
> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of an 
> expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what to do.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>   


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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands or 
> tone/voltage changes ?
> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, H/V, 
> etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be more useful.
> 
> P. van Gaans wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with Kaffeine 
>> 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange problem. With my 
>> Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 euro), I can only 
>> switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I tune directly to 
>> position 3 it won't lock.
>>
>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
>> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however is 
>> completely unreachable.
>>
>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>
>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their switches 
>> possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 4/1 switch 
>> works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 all work 
>> perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it looks like a 7 
>> euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 
>> 41-02 probably won't.
>>
>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of an 
>> expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what to do.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> linux-dvb mailing list
>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>   
> 

I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I tried 
upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a difference. The 
"scan" application has the same issues.

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands or 
>> tone/voltage changes ?
>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, H/V, 
>> etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be more useful.
>>
>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with Kaffeine 
>>> 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange problem. With my 
>>> Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 euro), I can only 
>>> switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I tune directly to 
>>> position 3 it won't lock.
>>>
>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
>>> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however is 
>>> completely unreachable.
>>>
>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>>
>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their switches 
>>> possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 4/1 switch 
>>> works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 all work 
>>> perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it looks like a 7 
>>> euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 
>>> 41-02 probably won't.
>>>
>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of an 
>>> expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what to do.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>   
> 
> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I tried 
> upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a difference. The 
> "scan" application has the same issues.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
> 

Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the 
difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was 
thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't 
think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos 3 
works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands or 
>>> tone/voltage changes ?
>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, 
>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be 
>>> more useful.
>>>
>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with Kaffeine 
>>>> 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange problem. With my 
>>>> Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 euro), I can only 
>>>> switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I tune directly to 
>>>> position 3 it won't lock.
>>>>
>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
>>>> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however 
>>>> is completely unreachable.
>>>>
>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>>>
>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their 
>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 
>>>> 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 
>>>> all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it 
>>>> looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 
>>>> 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of 
>>>> an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what to 
>>>> do.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>   
>>
>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I tried 
>> upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a difference. The 
>> "scan" application has the same issues.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> linux-dvb mailing list
>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>
> 
> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the 
> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was 
> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't 
> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos 3 
> works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
> 

I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.

I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is in 
the application, driver or somewhere else.

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[Doru Marin]

P. van Gaans wrote:
> On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>   
>> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>     
>>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>>       
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands or 
>>>> tone/voltage changes ?
>>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, 
>>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be 
>>>> more useful.
>>>>
>>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>         
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with Kaffeine 
>>>>> 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange problem. With my 
>>>>> Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 euro), I can only 
>>>>> switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I tune directly to 
>>>>> position 3 it won't lock.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
>>>>> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however 
>>>>> is completely unreachable.
>>>>>
>>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>>>>
>>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their 
>>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 
>>>>> 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 
>>>>> all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it 
>>>>> looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 
>>>>> 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of 
>>>>> an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what to 
>>>>> do.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>>   
>>>>>           
>>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I tried 
>>> upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a difference. The 
>>> "scan" application has the same issues.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>
>>>       
>> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the 
>> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was 
>> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't 
>> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos 3 
>> works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
>>
>>     
>
> I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
> 1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.
>
> I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is in 
> the application, driver or somewhere else.
>
> _______________________________________________
> linux-dvb mailing list
> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>   
Hi,

Strange scenario. You're not saying anything about input types and the 
switch type. Are you sure that are properly connected ? How the switch 
inputs are marked and from where you got the input signals ? Please 
elaborate, if you want a proper answer.
I suggest to play with 'scandvb' from dvb-apps package instead of 
Kaffeine. Look into scanning results if the scanned channels match with 
what you wished to have on those positions.


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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

On 02/18/2008 02:04 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
> P. van Gaans wrote:
>> On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>  
>>> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>    
>>>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>>>      
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands 
>>>>> or tone/voltage changes ?
>>>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, 
>>>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be 
>>>>> more useful.
>>>>>
>>>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>>        
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with 
>>>>>> Kaffeine 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange 
>>>>>> problem. With my Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 
>>>>>> euro), I can only switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I 
>>>>>> tune directly to position 3 it won't lock.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
>>>>>> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however 
>>>>>> is completely unreachable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their 
>>>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 
>>>>>> 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 
>>>>>> all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it 
>>>>>> looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 
>>>>>> 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of 
>>>>>> an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what 
>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>>>             
>>>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I tried 
>>>> upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a difference. The 
>>>> "scan" application has the same issues.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>
>>>>       
>>> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the 
>>> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was 
>>> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't 
>>> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos 3 
>>> works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
>>>
>>>     
>>
>> I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
>> 1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.
>>
>> I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is 
>> in the application, driver or somewhere else.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> linux-dvb mailing list
>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>   
> Hi,
> 
> Strange scenario. You're not saying anything about input types and the 
> switch type. Are you sure that are properly connected ? How the switch 
> inputs are marked and from where you got the input signals ? Please 
> elaborate, if you want a proper answer.
> I suggest to play with 'scandvb' from dvb-apps package instead of 
> Kaffeine. Look into scanning results if the scanned channels match with 
> what you wished to have on those positions.
> 
Hi,

What do you mean with input type?

Anyway, this is my config:

Visiosat Bisat G3C for 19.2/28.2/23.5 + Triax 54cm for Hotbird
4 quad LNBs

Spaun SAR 411F:
A = Astra 19.2
B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
C = Astra 23.5
D = Hotbird

Maximum 4/1:
A = Astra 19.2
B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
C = Astra 23.5
D = Hotbird

All works fine on a standalone so it is connected correctly.

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[Doru Marin]

P. van Gaans wrote:
> On 02/18/2008 02:04 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>   
>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>     
>>> On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>  
>>>       
>>>> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>    
>>>>         
>>>>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>>>>      
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC commands 
>>>>>> or tone/voltage changes ?
>>>>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, 
>>>>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be 
>>>>>> more useful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>>>        
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with 
>>>>>>> Kaffeine 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange 
>>>>>>> problem. With my Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 
>>>>>>> euro), I can only switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If I 
>>>>>>> tune directly to position 3 it won't lock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try a 
>>>>>>> channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 however 
>>>>>>> is completely unreachable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their 
>>>>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap Maximum 
>>>>>>> 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 2, 3 and 4 
>>>>>>> all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" indoors and it 
>>>>>>> looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also work fine, but a 
>>>>>>> 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much of 
>>>>>>> an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure what 
>>>>>>> to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>>>>             
>>>>>>>               
>>>>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I tried 
>>>>> upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a difference. The 
>>>>> "scan" application has the same issues.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the 
>>>> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was 
>>>> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't 
>>>> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos 3 
>>>> works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
>>> 1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.
>>>
>>> I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is 
>>> in the application, driver or somewhere else.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>   
>>>       
>> Hi,
>>
>> Strange scenario. You're not saying anything about input types and the 
>> switch type. Are you sure that are properly connected ? How the switch 
>> inputs are marked and from where you got the input signals ? Please 
>> elaborate, if you want a proper answer.
>> I suggest to play with 'scandvb' from dvb-apps package instead of 
>> Kaffeine. Look into scanning results if the scanned channels match with 
>> what you wished to have on those positions.
>>
>>     
> Hi,
>
> What do you mean with input type?
>
> Anyway, this is my config:
>
> Visiosat Bisat G3C for 19.2/28.2/23.5 + Triax 54cm for Hotbird
> 4 quad LNBs
>
> Spaun SAR 411F:
> A = Astra 19.2
> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
> C = Astra 23.5
> D = Hotbird
>
> Maximum 4/1:
> A = Astra 19.2
> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
> C = Astra 23.5
> D = Hotbird
>
> All works fine on a standalone so it is connected correctly.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
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>   
Hi,

Ok, If I understood you correctly, you're talking about only plain 
DiSEqC switch, with no polarity/tone management. Polarity and tone 
switching are done by LNB's.
Recently, I found a branded switch, which was unable to decode a DiSEqC 
commands while polarity was on horizontal (18V).
Maybe is the same situation, maybe not. That's why I asked you to check 
the polarity/tone settings of the channels while switching to a 
different channel on a different satellite.


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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

On 02/20/2008 10:48 AM, Doru Marin wrote:
> P. van Gaans wrote:
>> On 02/18/2008 02:04 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>  
>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>    
>>>> On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>  
>>>>      
>>>>> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>>           
>>>>>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>>>>>               
>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC 
>>>>>>> commands or tone/voltage changes ?
>>>>>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low, 
>>>>>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be 
>>>>>>> more useful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with 
>>>>>>>> Kaffeine 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange 
>>>>>>>> problem. With my Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40 
>>>>>>>> euro), I can only switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If 
>>>>>>>> I tune directly to position 3 it won't lock.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try 
>>>>>>>> a channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4 
>>>>>>>> however is completely unreachable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their 
>>>>>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap 
>>>>>>>> Maximum 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1, 
>>>>>>>> 2, 3 and 4 all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing" 
>>>>>>>> indoors and it looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also 
>>>>>>>> work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much 
>>>>>>>> of an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure 
>>>>>>>> what to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
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>>>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>>>>>                           
>>>>>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I 
>>>>>> tried upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a 
>>>>>> difference. The "scan" application has the same issues.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                 
>>>>> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the 
>>>>> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was 
>>>>> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't 
>>>>> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos 
>>>>> 3 works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>             
>>>> I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
>>>> 1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.
>>>>
>>>> I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is 
>>>> in the application, driver or somewhere else.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>>>         
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Strange scenario. You're not saying anything about input types and 
>>> the switch type. Are you sure that are properly connected ? How the 
>>> switch inputs are marked and from where you got the input signals ? 
>>> Please elaborate, if you want a proper answer.
>>> I suggest to play with 'scandvb' from dvb-apps package instead of 
>>> Kaffeine. Look into scanning results if the scanned channels match 
>>> with what you wished to have on those positions.
>>>
>>>     
>> Hi,
>>
>> What do you mean with input type?
>>
>> Anyway, this is my config:
>>
>> Visiosat Bisat G3C for 19.2/28.2/23.5 + Triax 54cm for Hotbird
>> 4 quad LNBs
>>
>> Spaun SAR 411F:
>> A = Astra 19.2
>> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
>> C = Astra 23.5
>> D = Hotbird
>>
>> Maximum 4/1:
>> A = Astra 19.2
>> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
>> C = Astra 23.5
>> D = Hotbird
>>
>> All works fine on a standalone so it is connected correctly.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> linux-dvb mailing list
>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>   
> Hi,
> 
> Ok, If I understood you correctly, you're talking about only plain 
> DiSEqC switch, with no polarity/tone management. Polarity and tone 
> switching are done by LNB's.
> Recently, I found a branded switch, which was unable to decode a DiSEqC 
> commands while polarity was on horizontal (18V).
> Maybe is the same situation, maybe not. That's why I asked you to check 
> the polarity/tone settings of the channels while switching to a 
> different channel on a different satellite.
> 

That's right, no multiswitches or something like that. The last time I 
checked (a while ago), the Spaun was still completely working on my 
standalones. But as I figured out yesterday, something is wrong with 
that now. The standalones don't see D (Hotbird) anymore either. So I'm 
first going to fix that.

Trying to switch from Flaunt (V) to 4fun.tv (V) doesn't work either, so 
it's not the same problem I guess.

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[Remy Bohmer]

Hello All,

Maybe I have the answer:
I also had problems with switches and LNBs which did not want to work properly.
Behind 1 receiver it worked properly, but behind another 2 different
DVB-S PCI cards, it just failed. I never suspected the LNB/Switch
setup, because it worked behind another receiver.
But, In the end it turned out that there was 1 LNB in my setup that
caused all the trouble, that LNB refused to cooperate with the
switches and other LNBs, when a DVB-S PCI card was used (both
Technisat Skystar 1CI, and TT-S1500). Once switched to this LNB, the
complete setup failed to work from that moment on. I could never
switch back to 1 of the previous LNBs, but the last (buggy) LNB still
worked if I switched back to it.

So, my advice is to start with 1 LNB behind a switch, once it works,
add another one, check if both LNBs still works, if so, add another
LNB and so on. Maybe you end up, just like me, with 1 LNB that
destroys the complete behavior.

So, my 3 TT-S1500s are properly working here now with MythTv and
DiseqC switches with 4 LNBs per card/switch. So, it _can_ work...


Good luck!


Kind Regards,

Remy



2008/2/20, P. van Gaans <w3ird_n3rd@gmx.net>:
> On 02/20/2008 10:48 AM, Doru Marin wrote:
>  > P. van Gaans wrote:
>  >> On 02/18/2008 02:04 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>  >>
>  >>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>  >>>
>  >>>> On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>  >>>>
>  >>>>
>  >>>>> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> Hi,
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC
>  >>>>>>> commands or tone/voltage changes ?
>  >>>>>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low,
>  >>>>>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be
>  >>>>>>> more useful.
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>  >>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> Hi,
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with
>  >>>>>>>> Kaffeine 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange
>  >>>>>>>> problem. With my Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40
>  >>>>>>>> euro), I can only switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If
>  >>>>>>>> I tune directly to position 3 it won't lock.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try
>  >>>>>>>> a channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4
>  >>>>>>>> however is completely unreachable.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their
>  >>>>>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap
>  >>>>>>>> Maximum 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1,
>  >>>>>>>> 2, 3 and 4 all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing"
>  >>>>>>>> indoors and it looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also
>  >>>>>>>> work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much
>  >>>>>>>> of an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure
>  >>>>>>>> what to do.
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>  >>>>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>  >>>>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>  >>>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>  >>>>>>>>
>  >>>>>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I
>  >>>>>> tried upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a
>  >>>>>> difference. The "scan" application has the same issues.
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>  >>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>  >>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>  >>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>>>
>  >>>>> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the
>  >>>>> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was
>  >>>>> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't
>  >>>>> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos
>  >>>>> 3 works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
>  >>>>>
>  >>>>>
>  >>>> I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
>  >>>> 1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is
>  >>>> in the application, driver or somewhere else.
>  >>>>
>  >>>> _______________________________________________
>  >>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>  >>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>  >>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>  >>>>
>  >>> Hi,
>  >>>
>  >>> Strange scenario. You're not saying anything about input types and
>  >>> the switch type. Are you sure that are properly connected ? How the
>  >>> switch inputs are marked and from where you got the input signals ?
>  >>> Please elaborate, if you want a proper answer.
>  >>> I suggest to play with 'scandvb' from dvb-apps package instead of
>  >>> Kaffeine. Look into scanning results if the scanned channels match
>  >>> with what you wished to have on those positions.
>  >>>
>  >>>
>  >> Hi,
>  >>
>  >> What do you mean with input type?
>  >>
>  >> Anyway, this is my config:
>  >>
>  >> Visiosat Bisat G3C for 19.2/28.2/23.5 + Triax 54cm for Hotbird
>  >> 4 quad LNBs
>  >>
>  >> Spaun SAR 411F:
>  >> A = Astra 19.2
>  >> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
>  >> C = Astra 23.5
>  >> D = Hotbird
>  >>
>  >> Maximum 4/1:
>  >> A = Astra 19.2
>  >> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
>  >> C = Astra 23.5
>  >> D = Hotbird
>  >>
>  >> All works fine on a standalone so it is connected correctly.
>  >>
>  >> _______________________________________________
>  >> linux-dvb mailing list
>  >> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>  >> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>  >>
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > Ok, If I understood you correctly, you're talking about only plain
>  > DiSEqC switch, with no polarity/tone management. Polarity and tone
>  > switching are done by LNB's.
>  > Recently, I found a branded switch, which was unable to decode a DiSEqC
>  > commands while polarity was on horizontal (18V).
>  > Maybe is the same situation, maybe not. That's why I asked you to check
>  > the polarity/tone settings of the channels while switching to a
>  > different channel on a different satellite.
>  >
>
>
> That's right, no multiswitches or something like that. The last time I
>  checked (a while ago), the Spaun was still completely working on my
>  standalones. But as I figured out yesterday, something is wrong with
>  that now. The standalones don't see D (Hotbird) anymore either. So I'm
>  first going to fix that.
>
>  Trying to switch from Flaunt (V) to 4fun.tv (V) doesn't work either, so
>  it's not the same problem I guess.
>
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  linux-dvb mailing list
>  linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>  http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>

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Re: [linux-dvb] DiSEqC trouble with TT S-1500

[P. van Gaans]

On 02/20/2008 08:24 PM, Remy Bohmer wrote:
> Hello All,
> 
> Maybe I have the answer:
> I also had problems with switches and LNBs which did not want to work properly.
> Behind 1 receiver it worked properly, but behind another 2 different
> DVB-S PCI cards, it just failed. I never suspected the LNB/Switch
> setup, because it worked behind another receiver.
> But, In the end it turned out that there was 1 LNB in my setup that
> caused all the trouble, that LNB refused to cooperate with the
> switches and other LNBs, when a DVB-S PCI card was used (both
> Technisat Skystar 1CI, and TT-S1500). Once switched to this LNB, the
> complete setup failed to work from that moment on. I could never
> switch back to 1 of the previous LNBs, but the last (buggy) LNB still
> worked if I switched back to it.
> 
> So, my advice is to start with 1 LNB behind a switch, once it works,
> add another one, check if both LNBs still works, if so, add another
> LNB and so on. Maybe you end up, just like me, with 1 LNB that
> destroys the complete behavior.
> 
> So, my 3 TT-S1500s are properly working here now with MythTv and
> DiseqC switches with 4 LNBs per card/switch. So, it _can_ work...
> 
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Remy
> 
> 
> 
> 2008/2/20, P. van Gaans <w3ird_n3rd@gmx.net>:
>> On 02/20/2008 10:48 AM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>  > P. van Gaans wrote:
>>  >> On 02/18/2008 02:04 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>  >>
>>  >>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>  >>>
>>  >>>> On 02/16/2008 01:20 AM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>>> On 02/13/2008 09:21 PM, P. van Gaans wrote:
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>>> On 02/13/2008 03:01 PM, Doru Marin wrote:
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>> Hi,
>>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>> Can you explain how you select those 4 positions ? DiSEqC
>>  >>>>>>> commands or tone/voltage changes ?
>>  >>>>>>> Also can you determine the input type of those positions (Hi/Low,
>>  >>>>>>> H/V, etc) ? A scenario to see when and why that happens, would be
>>  >>>>>>> more useful.
>>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>> P. van Gaans wrote:
>>  >>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> Hi,
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> I've got a Technotrend S-1500 (if it matters: I use it with
>>  >>>>>>>> Kaffeine 0.8.3). It works mostly fine, but there's a strange
>>  >>>>>>>> problem. With my Spaun 4/1 DiSEqC switch (they cost approx 25-40
>>  >>>>>>>> euro), I can only switch without trouble to position 1 and 2. If
>>  >>>>>>>> I tune directly to position 3 it won't lock.
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> However, if I first tune to a channel on position 1 or 2 and try
>>  >>>>>>>> a channel on position 3 after that, it will work. Position 4
>>  >>>>>>>> however is completely unreachable.
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> On a standalone receiver, there's no trouble with the same cable.
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> Now Spaun is a really expensive and respected brand. So their
>>  >>>>>>>> switches possibly work in a different way, because a cheap
>>  >>>>>>>> Maximum 4/1 switch works perfectly with the S-1500. Position 1,
>>  >>>>>>>> 2, 3 and 4 all work perfectly. I also did some "dry testing"
>>  >>>>>>>> indoors and it looks like a 7 euro Satconn 4/1 switch would also
>>  >>>>>>>> work fine, but a 17 euro Axing SPU 41-02 probably won't.
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> I'm guessing this could be solved in stv0299.c but I'm not much
>>  >>>>>>>> of an expert. I took a look at the code but I'm not really sure
>>  >>>>>>>> what to do.
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>  >>>>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>  >>>>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>  >>>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>  >>>>>>>>
>>  >>>>>> I select them with Kaffeine. Hi/low and H/V doesn't matter. I
>>  >>>>>> tried upgrading to Kaffeine 0.8.5 but that doesn't make a
>>  >>>>>> difference. The "scan" application has the same issues.
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>  >>>>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>  >>>>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>  >>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>>>
>>  >>>>> Nobody any ideas? If not, does anybody have some idea what the
>>  >>>>> difference between position 1+2, pos 3 and pos 4 could be? I was
>>  >>>>> thinking 1 and 2 might be working because of toneburst, but I don't
>>  >>>>> think Kaffeine uses such a signal and that doesn't explain why pos
>>  >>>>> 3 works if first tuning to 1 or 2 and 4 doesn't work at all.
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>>>
>>  >>>> I've figured out a bit more. If I tune directly to postion 3, I get pos
>>  >>>> 1. Whenever I tune to pos 4, I get pos 2.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> I'll also ask people from Kaffeine as I'm not sure if the problem is
>>  >>>> in the application, driver or somewhere else.
>>  >>>>
>>  >>>> _______________________________________________
>>  >>>> linux-dvb mailing list
>>  >>>> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>  >>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>  >>>>
>>  >>> Hi,
>>  >>>
>>  >>> Strange scenario. You're not saying anything about input types and
>>  >>> the switch type. Are you sure that are properly connected ? How the
>>  >>> switch inputs are marked and from where you got the input signals ?
>>  >>> Please elaborate, if you want a proper answer.
>>  >>> I suggest to play with 'scandvb' from dvb-apps package instead of
>>  >>> Kaffeine. Look into scanning results if the scanned channels match
>>  >>> with what you wished to have on those positions.
>>  >>>
>>  >>>
>>  >> Hi,
>>  >>
>>  >> What do you mean with input type?
>>  >>
>>  >> Anyway, this is my config:
>>  >>
>>  >> Visiosat Bisat G3C for 19.2/28.2/23.5 + Triax 54cm for Hotbird
>>  >> 4 quad LNBs
>>  >>
>>  >> Spaun SAR 411F:
>>  >> A = Astra 19.2
>>  >> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
>>  >> C = Astra 23.5
>>  >> D = Hotbird
>>  >>
>>  >> Maximum 4/1:
>>  >> A = Astra 19.2
>>  >> B = Astra 28.2/Eurobird1
>>  >> C = Astra 23.5
>>  >> D = Hotbird
>>  >>
>>  >> All works fine on a standalone so it is connected correctly.
>>  >>
>>  >> _______________________________________________
>>  >> linux-dvb mailing list
>>  >> linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>  >> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>  >>
>>  > Hi,
>>  >
>>  > Ok, If I understood you correctly, you're talking about only plain
>>  > DiSEqC switch, with no polarity/tone management. Polarity and tone
>>  > switching are done by LNB's.
>>  > Recently, I found a branded switch, which was unable to decode a DiSEqC
>>  > commands while polarity was on horizontal (18V).
>>  > Maybe is the same situation, maybe not. That's why I asked you to check
>>  > the polarity/tone settings of the channels while switching to a
>>  > different channel on a different satellite.
>>  >
>>
>>
>> That's right, no multiswitches or something like that. The last time I
>>  checked (a while ago), the Spaun was still completely working on my
>>  standalones. But as I figured out yesterday, something is wrong with
>>  that now. The standalones don't see D (Hotbird) anymore either. So I'm
>>  first going to fix that.
>>
>>  Trying to switch from Flaunt (V) to 4fun.tv (V) doesn't work either, so
>>  it's not the same problem I guess.
>>
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  linux-dvb mailing list
>>  linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
>>  http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
>>
> 

I've been on the roof. The cable from the Spaun switch to the Hotbird 
LNB was a mess. I've fixed it and now everything works.

Do note though, that Kaffeine 0.8.6 that sends diseqc commands twice is 
required for the Spaun/Axing switches to work correctly.

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