[linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Steven Ellis]

Been reading up on these as it appears that the HVR-2200 is now available
in Australia. I've updated the Wiki
(http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge) with initial pages for
all of these cards, but I don't have any chip or technical details yet.

Most of the information I could find was on their Singapore website -
http://www.hauppauge.com.sg/web-content/pages/prods_hvr.html

Can any of our Hauppauge contacts confirm the chipsets and technical details?

The fact that the HVR-2200 is a dual hybrid tuner with DVB-T and MPEG2
hardware capture makes it a very interesting product.

Steve

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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[ptay1685]

I would imagine that is usually to reduce costs. I assume that the buyers 
for the companies are always trying to negotiate lower prices to increase 
profit margins, and playing the various chip suppliers off against each 
other to shave a few cents off the components. If Dibcom refuse to lower 
their price any further, then the company will switch to ULI or some other 
manufacturer.

Supply volume might also be an issue - maybe the current manufacturer cannot 
provide enough volume.

Failure rate of the components might also be an issue.

Regards,

Phil.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steven Toth" <stoth@linuxtv.org>
To: "Halim Sahin" <halim.sahin@t-online.de>
Cc: "linux-dvb" <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 
and HVR-1200


> Halim Sahin wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> Can please someone explain why the hardware manufacturers are often
>> changing well working hardware designs?
>> Now hauppauge seems to have a new card, new cips on it (and currently no
>> linux support?)?
>> BR.
>> Halim
>
> You dropped the CC of the mailing list, so I added it back.
>
> By someone, do you mean me?
>
> - Steve
>
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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[CityK]

Craig Whitmore wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Ellis" <mail_lists@stevencherie.net>
> To: <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:02 PM
> Subject: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200,HVR-1700 and 
> HVR-1200
>
>
>   
>> Been reading up on these as it appears that the HVR-2200 is now available
>> in Australia. I've updated the Wiki
>> (http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge) with initial pages for
>> all of these cards, but I don't have any chip or technical details yet.
>>
>>     
>
> The wholesalers in NZ have these 3 new cards as well in (but only the 2200 
> in stock at the moment). If I read right a while ago no PCI-E cards have any 
> drivers yet
>
> Its low profile which is good and from the pictures I've found can't really 
> see the chipset its using.
>
> Thanks
>   

No DVB-T PCIe cards are currently supported, but there are most 
definitely PCIe cards supported (see ATSC PCIe cards).

Just a guess:
- HVR-1200 ... the DVB-T equivalent of the (supported) ATSC HVR-1250
- HVR-2200 ... the DVB-T equivalent of the (unsupported and unreleased) 
ATSC HVR-2250 ... problem numero uno: Philips saa7164
- HVR-1700 ... no idea .... DVB-T equivalent of the ATSC HVR-1800 ?

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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Steven Toth]

Craig Whitmore wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Steven Ellis" <mail_lists@stevencherie.net>
> To: <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 27, 2008 6:02 PM
> Subject: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200,HVR-1700 and 
> HVR-1200
> 
> 
>> Been reading up on these as it appears that the HVR-2200 is now available
>> in Australia. I've updated the Wiki
>> (http://www.linuxtv.org/wiki/index.php/Hauppauge) with initial pages for
>> all of these cards, but I don't have any chip or technical details yet.
>>
> 
> The wholesalers in NZ have these 3 new cards as well in (but only the 2200 
> in stock at the moment). If I read right a while ago no PCI-E cards have any 
> drivers yet
> 
> Its low profile which is good and from the pictures I've found can't really 
> see the chipset its using.

These are Philips/NXP PCIe bridges, not supported under Linux.  Manu is 
working on a driver for the same family of silicon but don't assume 
anything.

- Steve



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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Steven Toth]

Halim Sahin wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Can please someone explain why the hardware manufacturers are often 
> changing well working hardware designs?
> Now hauppauge seems to have a new card, new cips on it (and currently no 
> linux support?)?
> BR.
> Halim

You dropped the CC of the mailing list, so I added it back.

By someone, do you mean me?

- Steve

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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Halim Sahin]

Hi,

> By someone, do you mean me?

Steve you can answer this Question if you want.
BR.
Halim


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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Halim Sahin]

Hello,


>I would imagine that is usually to reduce costs. I assume that the buyers 
>for the companies are always trying to negotiate lower prices to increase 
>profit margins, and playing the various chip suppliers off against each 
>other to shave a few cents off the components. If Dibcom refuse to lower 
>their price any further, then the company will switch to ULI or some other 
>manufacturer.
>
> Supply volume might also be an issue - maybe the current manufacturer 
> cannot provide enough volume.
>
> Failure rate of the components might also be an issue.

I think the newer cards aren't realy better than the old ones.


I have a skystar2.6b. This card is working very well but Technisat produced 
newer versions without realy new features.
The only thing is the linuxdrivers need to be adapted for those cards.

Technotrend FF dvb-2.1 and the s-2300 is another example.

Sorry I hope you can understand what I mean.


BR.
Halim




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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Craig Whitmore]

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Halim Sahin" <halim.sahin@t-online.de>
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Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:42 AM
Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200,HVR-1700 
and HVR-1200


Has anyone actually put a HVR-2200 in a linux box and seen what happens? 
does linux find nothing or what? What exactly makes PCI-E cards hard to 
start to get right (or its not hard.. just no one has had time to do it?)

I might get one.... I have an HVR4000 with 1 DVB-T tuner at the moment and 
an extra 2 DVB-T tuners it would be nice (and we only have 3 transponder 
freqs in NZ and it would cover them all) (and I have 3 PCI-E slots free not 
in use)

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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Steven Toth]

Craig Whitmore wrote:
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Halim Sahin" <halim.sahin@t-online.de>
> To: <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>
> Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2008 11:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200,HVR-1700 
> and HVR-1200
> 
> 
> Has anyone actually put a HVR-2200 in a linux box and seen what happens? 
> does linux find nothing or what? What exactly makes PCI-E cards hard to 
> start to get right (or its not hard.. just no one has had time to do it?)

lspci It will look like a normal PCI/PCI-e device with the appropriate 
PCI device id's.

- Steve


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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Craig Whitmore]

> These are Philips/NXP PCIe bridges, not supported under Linux.  Manu is
> working on a driver for the same family of silicon but don't assume 
> anything.
>

I've updated the wiki a little with information I could get off the images I 
could find off the Hauppauge website. It looks it is based on the reference 
design from NXP/Philips.

I think manu/steven? was/is working on drivers for this thing.. any update? 
( I read it yesterday but can't find the link)

Thanks
 


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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Craig Whitmore]

> These are Philips/NXP PCIe bridges, not supported under Linux.  Manu is
> working on a driver for the same family of silicon but don't assume 
> anything.
>

I've updated the wiki a little with information I could get off the images I 
could find off the Hauppauge website. It looks it is based on the reference 
design from NXP/Philips.

Thanks
 


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Re: [linux-dvb] New Hauppauge DVB PCIe devices HVR-2200, HVR-1700 and HVR-1200

[Steven Toth]

Craig Whitmore wrote:
> 
>> These are Philips/NXP PCIe bridges, not supported under Linux.  Manu is
>> working on a driver for the same family of silicon but don't assume 
>> anything.
>>
> 
> I've updated the wiki a little with information I could get off the 
> images I could find off the Hauppauge website. It looks it is based on 
> the reference design from NXP/Philips.
> 
> I think manu/steven? was/is working on drivers for this thing.. any 
> update? ( I read it yesterday but can't find the link)

Hi Craig,

Just to be clear, I've never worked on a driver for this. Manu was doing 
some work with the 716x silicon family, but as I said earlier - don't 
assume that it will result in a driver for this product.

Manu can probably give you more detail.

- Steve

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