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* Support for Asus My-Cinema U3000Hybrid?
@ 2008-08-08 12:05 zePh7r
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From: zePh7r @ 2008-08-08 12:05 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: video4linux-list

Sometime ago, I bought this usb hybrid tv tuner with FM radio, an Asus 
My-Cinema U3000Hybrid, which considering some Googling I've made on the 
subject seems to be a tuner primarily marketed to eastern and southern 
Europe markets.

Asus is very scarce concerning information related to the device 
specifications. "Official" information is here 
http://www.asus.com/products.aspx?modelmenu=2&model=1639&l1=18&l2=84&l3=254&l4=0

and here  
http://www.asus.com.au/products.aspx?l1=18&l2=84&l3=254&l4=0&model=1639&modelmenu=2

why the second link mentions a so-called "IXCEIVE" tv tuner and the 
first one omits it beats me completely.

The device seems unsupported out-of-the-box in my OpenSUSE 11.0 
(2.6.25.11 kernel) and when I tried googling about linux support I found 
a complete vacuum concerning it. The official support page (forum) has 
some questions related to linux support, all left unanswered. Also, I 
tried inquiring the direct email help support from asus, getting 
non-clear answers (all the operator told me was that "the specification 
of TV Tuner is Philips"). I was also surprised to see that this device 
is not mentioned in the mailing lists.

my lsusb:
Bus 007 Device 002: ID 04f3:0210 Elan Microelectronics Corp. AM-400 Hama 
Optical Mouse
Bus 007 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 006 Device 003: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 
HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
Bus 006 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 005 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 003 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 001 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0001 Linux Foundation 1.1 root hub
Bus 004 Device 007: ID 0b05:1736 ASUSTek Computer, Inc.
Bus 004 Device 005: ID 064e:a101 Suyin Corp. HP Pavilion dv9640us WebCam
Bus 004 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub
Bus 002 Device 001: ID 1d6b:0002 Linux Foundation 2.0 root hub


and my lsusb -v concerning only to the asus device:

Bus 004 Device 007: ID 0b05:1736 ASUSTek Computer, Inc.
Device Descriptor:
  bLength                18
  bDescriptorType         1
  bcdUSB               2.00
  bDeviceClass            0 (Defined at Interface level)
  bDeviceSubClass         0
  bDeviceProtocol         0
  bMaxPacketSize0        64
  idVendor           0x0b05 ASUSTek Computer, Inc.
  idProduct          0x1736
  bcdDevice            1.00
  iManufacturer           1
  iProduct                2
  iSerial                 3
  bNumConfigurations      1
  Configuration Descriptor:
    bLength                 9
    bDescriptorType         2
    wTotalLength           46
    bNumInterfaces          1
    bConfigurationValue     1
    iConfiguration          0
    bmAttributes         0xa0
      (Bus Powered)
      Remote Wakeup
    MaxPower              500mA
    Interface Descriptor:
      bLength                 9
      bDescriptorType         4
      bInterfaceNumber        0
      bAlternateSetting       0
      bNumEndpoints           4
      bInterfaceClass       255 Vendor Specific Class
      bInterfaceSubClass      0
      bInterfaceProtocol      0
      iInterface              0
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x01  EP 1 OUT
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x81  EP 1 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x82  EP 2 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
      Endpoint Descriptor:
        bLength                 7
        bDescriptorType         5
        bEndpointAddress     0x83  EP 3 IN
        bmAttributes            2
          Transfer Type            Bulk
          Synch Type               None
          Usage Type               Data
        wMaxPacketSize     0x0200  1x 512 bytes
        bInterval               1
can't get device qualifier: Operation not permitted
can't get debug descriptor: Operation not permitted
cannot read device status, Operation not permitted (1)

I think there is some confusion in the available information concerning 
the chips used in this device. According to other resource I found: 
http://www.senorg.ro/tv-tunere/asus , a Philips chipset seems to be used 
in older models, some analog only. In the other hand I since xceive 
tuners seem to do the job on both the analog and digital sides, I don't 
see the need to add a a DibCom chipset as well... As so I'm a little 
sceptical about the information available. I was thinking about trying 
the xc3028 or the other members of the xceive family of drivers but I 
was not sure as to em28xx would be an important part to add as well or 
what would be its role in it...

I could think of opening the encased device but I'd preferably rather 
not, as it normally turns out to be irreversible...

Thanks in advance,
--zePh7r

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* Re: Support for Asus My-Cinema U3000Hybrid?
@ 2008-08-12 16:27 zePh7r
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: zePh7r @ 2008-08-12 16:27 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Albert Comerma, video4linux-list, linux-dvb

This is looking good. It seems to load the firmware well. I even ran
kaffeine and it detected my card instantly. However, as there's no dvb-t
service where I live (there's still no dvb-t in Portugal) I can't test
it in full. However I tried to do a channel scan and the signal bar
showed high strength signals multiple times during scan -- which I
interpret as a) the tuner is working, and b) the card is being able to
find signal but unable to decode it since it's not a digital signal. I'm
getting this output in dmesg just for plugging the device into the usb port:

Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device
using ehci_hcd and address 12
Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen
from 1 choice
Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Asus My
Cinema-U3000Hybrid' in cold state, will try to load a firmware
Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: downloading firmware from
file 'dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw'
Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dib0700: firmware started
successfully.
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Asus My
Cinema-U3000Hybrid' in warm state.
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: will pass the complete
MPEG2 transport stream to the software demuxer.
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: DVB: registering new adapter (Asus
My Cinema-U3000Hybrid)
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: DVB: registering frontend 0
(DiBcom 7000PC)...
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: creating new instance
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: type set to XCeive
xc2028/xc3028 tuner
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: input: IR-receiver inside an USB
DVB receiver as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb4/4-1/input/input13
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: schedule remote query
interval to 150 msecs.
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: Asus My
Cinema-U3000Hybrid successfully initialized and connected.
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: New USB device found,
idVendor=0b05, idProduct=1736
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: New USB device strings:
Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: Product: U3000 Hybrid
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: Manufacturer: ASUSTeK
Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: SerialNumber: 8110400333
Aug 12 14:29:36 zeph7r-laptop syslog-ng[1724]: STATS: dropped 0


and after starting kaffeine there's still this more:

Aug 12 14:41:31 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading 80 firmware
images from xc3028-v27.fw, type: xc2028 firmware, ver 2.7
Aug 12 14:41:31 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware
for type=BASE F8MHZ (3), id 0000000000000000.
Aug 12 14:41:38 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware
for type=D2620 DTV7 (88), id 0000000000000000.
Aug 12 14:41:38 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading SCODE for
type=DTV8 SCODE HAS_IF_5400 (60000200), id 0000000000000000.
Aug 12 14:42:04 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware
for type=D2620 DTV78 (108), id 0000000000000000.
Aug 12 14:42:04 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading SCODE for
type=DTV8 SCODE HAS_IF_5400 (60000200), id 0000000000000000.


However I also tried kdetv and the card didn't seem to be recognized
here. In the device list there is still only my webcam to choose from.
If I try to run it from a terminal no significant output is shown. How
can go further in testing and getting the analog tv part to work?

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* Re: Support for Asus My-Cinema U3000Hybrid?
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@ 2008-08-12 19:30 ` Albert Comerma
  2008-08-12 20:14   ` zePh7r
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Albert Comerma @ 2008-08-12 19:30 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: zePh7r; +Cc: video4linux-list, linux-dvb

I'm happy to hear that. :) it's a shame that you can't try with some dvb
signal, but looks good. I've never used kdetv, so no idea.

Albert

2008/8/12 zePh7r <zeph7r@net.novis.pt>

> This is looking good. It seems to load the firmware well. I even ran
> kaffeine and it detected my card instantly. However, as there's no dvb-t
> service where I live (there's still no dvb-t in Portugal) I can't test it in
> full. However I tried to do a channel scan and the signal bar showed high
> strength signals multiple times during scan -- which I interpret as a) the
> tuner is working, and b) the card is being able to find signal but unable to
> decode it since it's not a digital signal. I'm getting this output in dmesg
> just for plugging the device into the usb port:
>
> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device
> using ehci_hcd and address 12
> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen from
> 1 choice
> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Asus My
> Cinema-U3000Hybrid' in cold state, will try to load a firmware
> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: downloading firmware from
> file 'dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw'
> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dib0700: firmware started
> successfully.
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Asus My
> Cinema-U3000Hybrid' in warm state.
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: will pass the complete MPEG2
> transport stream to the software demuxer.
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: DVB: registering new adapter (Asus My
> Cinema-U3000Hybrid)
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: DVB: registering frontend 0 (DiBcom
> 7000PC)...
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: creating new instance
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: type set to XCeive
> xc2028/xc3028 tuner
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: input: IR-receiver inside an USB DVB
> receiver as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb4/4-1/input/input13
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: schedule remote query
> interval to 150 msecs.
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: Asus My Cinema-U3000Hybrid
> successfully initialized and connected.
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: New USB device found,
> idVendor=0b05, idProduct=1736
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: New USB device strings:
> Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: Product: U3000 Hybrid
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: Manufacturer: ASUSTeK
> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: SerialNumber: 8110400333
> Aug 12 14:29:36 zeph7r-laptop syslog-ng[1724]: STATS: dropped 0
>
>
> and after starting kaffeine there's still this more:
>
> Aug 12 14:41:31 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading 80 firmware
> images from xc3028-v27.fw, type: xc2028 firmware, ver 2.7
> Aug 12 14:41:31 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware for
> type=BASE F8MHZ (3), id 0000000000000000.
> Aug 12 14:41:38 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware for
> type=D2620 DTV7 (88), id 0000000000000000.
> Aug 12 14:41:38 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading SCODE for
> type=DTV8 SCODE HAS_IF_5400 (60000200), id 0000000000000000.
> Aug 12 14:42:04 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware for
> type=D2620 DTV78 (108), id 0000000000000000.
> Aug 12 14:42:04 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading SCODE for
> type=DTV8 SCODE HAS_IF_5400 (60000200), id 0000000000000000.
>
>
> However I also tried kdetv and the card didn't seem to be recognized here.
> In the device list there is still only my webcam to choose from. If I try to
> run it from a terminal no significant output is shown. How can go further in
> testing and getting the analog tv part to work?
>
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* Re: Support for Asus My-Cinema U3000Hybrid?
  2008-08-12 19:30 ` Albert Comerma
@ 2008-08-12 20:14   ` zePh7r
  2008-08-13  9:29     ` Albert Comerma
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: zePh7r @ 2008-08-12 20:14 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Albert Comerma; +Cc: video4linux-list, linux-dvb


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* Re: Support for Asus My-Cinema U3000Hybrid?
  2008-08-12 20:14   ` zePh7r
@ 2008-08-13  9:29     ` Albert Comerma
  2008-08-13 21:10       ` zePh7r
  0 siblings, 1 reply; 6+ messages in thread
From: Albert Comerma @ 2008-08-13  9:29 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: zePh7r; +Cc: video4linux-list, linux-dvb

Yes, non of the hybrid devices I have worked on have support for analogue,
only dvb. I think the place to look is on video4linux mailing list. If you
want to get support for your card on the kernel (the dvb part) first would
be nice to be sure it works, and then just submit the patch to the linux-dvb
mailing list. I think it should be generated with some options and once it's
generated you should pass the perl script on v4l/scripts/checkpatch.pl to be
sure it follows the programming conventions... Just for curiosity, it worked
just as I send the code or you had to change some things? If you send me
back the files I can generate the patch for you, but again it should be
great to check it really works (you didn't get signal from any spanish
dvb?).

Albert

2008/8/12 zePh7r <zeph7r@gmail.com>

>  Albert Comerma escreveu:
>
> I'm happy to hear that. :) it's a shame that you can't try with some dvb
> signal, but looks good. I've never used kdetv, so no idea.
>
> Albert
>
> 2008/8/12 zePh7r <zeph7r@net.novis.pt>
>
>> This is looking good. It seems to load the firmware well. I even ran
>> kaffeine and it detected my card instantly. However, as there's no dvb-t
>> service where I live (there's still no dvb-t in Portugal) I can't test it in
>> full. However I tried to do a channel scan and the signal bar showed high
>> strength signals multiple times during scan -- which I interpret as a) the
>> tuner is working, and b) the card is being able to find signal but unable to
>> decode it since it's not a digital signal. I'm getting this output in dmesg
>> just for plugging the device into the usb port:
>>
>> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: new high speed USB device
>> using ehci_hcd and address 12
>> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: configuration #1 chosen
>> from 1 choice
>> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Asus My
>> Cinema-U3000Hybrid' in cold state, will try to load a firmware
>> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: downloading firmware from
>> file 'dvb-usb-dib0700-1.10.fw'
>> Aug 12 14:29:29 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dib0700: firmware started
>> successfully.
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: found a 'Asus My
>> Cinema-U3000Hybrid' in warm state.
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: will pass the complete
>> MPEG2 transport stream to the software demuxer.
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: DVB: registering new adapter (Asus
>> My Cinema-U3000Hybrid)
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: DVB: registering frontend 0 (DiBcom
>> 7000PC)...
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: creating new instance
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: type set to XCeive
>> xc2028/xc3028 tuner
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: input: IR-receiver inside an USB DVB
>> receiver as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:1d.7/usb4/4-1/input/input13
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: schedule remote query
>> interval to 150 msecs.
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: dvb-usb: Asus My Cinema-U3000Hybrid
>> successfully initialized and connected.
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: New USB device found,
>> idVendor=0b05, idProduct=1736
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: New USB device strings:
>> Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: Product: U3000 Hybrid
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: Manufacturer: ASUSTeK
>> Aug 12 14:29:30 zeph7r-laptop kernel: usb 4-1: SerialNumber: 8110400333
>> Aug 12 14:29:36 zeph7r-laptop syslog-ng[1724]: STATS: dropped 0
>>
>>
>> and after starting kaffeine there's still this more:
>>
>> Aug 12 14:41:31 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading 80 firmware
>> images from xc3028-v27.fw, type: xc2028 firmware, ver 2.7
>> Aug 12 14:41:31 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware for
>> type=BASE F8MHZ (3), id 0000000000000000.
>> Aug 12 14:41:38 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware for
>> type=D2620 DTV7 (88), id 0000000000000000.
>> Aug 12 14:41:38 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading SCODE for
>> type=DTV8 SCODE HAS_IF_5400 (60000200), id 0000000000000000.
>> Aug 12 14:42:04 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading firmware for
>> type=D2620 DTV78 (108), id 0000000000000000.
>> Aug 12 14:42:04 zeph7r-laptop kernel: xc2028 2-0061: Loading SCODE for
>> type=DTV8 SCODE HAS_IF_5400 (60000200), id 0000000000000000.
>>
>>
>> However I also tried kdetv and the card didn't seem to be recognized here.
>> In the device list there is still only my webcam to choose from. If I try to
>> run it from a terminal no significant output is shown. How can go further in
>> testing and getting the analog tv part to work?
>>
>
>  So, in that case none of the devices you managed to get working so far
> (and which seem to be hybrid as well) you didn't get the analog tv part to
> work too? It's too bad you can't help me here since for me not having analog
> tv (along with the FM tuner) means having a non-functional device.. Anyway,
> can you direct me on where to look further in order to pursue the analog
> part?
> Also, I guess I'd like to contribute back what has been achieved so far and
> hope to see native support in kernel in some future release. What can I do
> to do that?
>
> Thanks for all the support so far
>
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* Re: Support for Asus My-Cinema U3000Hybrid?
  2008-08-13  9:29     ` Albert Comerma
@ 2008-08-13 21:10       ` zePh7r
  0 siblings, 0 replies; 6+ messages in thread
From: zePh7r @ 2008-08-13 21:10 UTC (permalink / raw)
  To: Albert Comerma; +Cc: video4linux-list, linux-dvb


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