[linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[Frederic CAND]

Dear all,

has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
(except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)

Is radio support just not implemented ?


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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[wk]

Frederic CAND wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
> If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
> This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
> I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
> (except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
> instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)
>
> Is radio support just not implemented ?
>
>   
Load cx88_blackbird and open /dev/radioX.
I haven't tried radio up to now, but i would expect that only radio *or* 
dvb works, but not both at the same time. Most probably radio is also 
not feed trough the mpeg encoder.

Regards,
Winfried


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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[hermann pitton]

Hi,

Am Donnerstag, den 18.09.2008, 18:22 +0200 schrieb wk:
> Frederic CAND wrote:
> > Dear all,
> >
> > has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
> > If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
> > This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
> > I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
> > (except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
> > instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)
> >
> > Is radio support just not implemented ?
> >
> >   
> Load cx88_blackbird and open /dev/radioX.
> I haven't tried radio up to now, but i would expect that only radio *or* 
> dvb works, but not both at the same time. Most probably radio is also 
> not feed trough the mpeg encoder.
> 

a fixme still sticks on radio of the HVR1300.

			.audioroute = 2,
		},{
			.type	= CX88_VMUX_SVIDEO,
			.vmux	= 2,
			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
			.audioroute = 2,
		}},
		/* fixme: Add radio support */
		.mpeg           = CX88_MPEG_DVB | CX88_MPEG_BLACKBIRD,
		.radio = {
			.type   = CX88_RADIO,
			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
		},
	},

Guess audio routing and switching is not clear yet.

The FMD1216ME supports radio over tda9887 and tda7040.

On the FM1216ME and FM1236 MK3 we can take the stereo indication bit
from the PLL chip and switch the tda9887 into FM stereo mode
accordingly. Reading this status information also enables auto scanning
for radio broadcasts for the applications. (v4l2 aware like kradio
should be preferred)

This bit does not work on the hybrid FMD1216ME MK3 and you have to
create a station list manually once, but then stereo radio is fine.

On the later FMD1216MEX, which can also be on that board, Steve
mentioned once that the radio might be slightly different.

That one is currently treated like the FMD1216ME, but would need its own
separate tuner type entry in that case.

We also found hints in tuner specs provided by Steve for ivtv, IIRC,
that an AFC narrowing down looping can be used to take this as kind of
signal strength detection on the tda9887 alternatively for the stereo
bit on the pll. Hartmut was aware of it too, but who likes to work on
analog radio these days ...

It is not implemented yet, if it should be related.

Cheers,
Hermann



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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[Christophe Thommeret]

Le Friday 19 September 2008 00:42:18 hermann pitton, vous avez écrit :
> but who likes to work on
> analog radio these days ...

Indeed, T-DMB is going to start soon here.

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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[Frederic CAND]

hermann pitton a écrit :
> Hi,
> 
> Am Donnerstag, den 18.09.2008, 18:22 +0200 schrieb wk:
>> Frederic CAND wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>>
>>> has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
>>> If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
>>> This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
>>> I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
>>> (except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
>>> instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)
>>>
>>> Is radio support just not implemented ?
>>>
>>>   
>> Load cx88_blackbird and open /dev/radioX.
>> I haven't tried radio up to now, but i would expect that only radio *or* 
>> dvb works, but not both at the same time. Most probably radio is also 
>> not feed trough the mpeg encoder.
>>
> 
> a fixme still sticks on radio of the HVR1300.
> 
> 			.audioroute = 2,
> 		},{
> 			.type	= CX88_VMUX_SVIDEO,
> 			.vmux	= 2,
> 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
> 			.audioroute = 2,
> 		}},
> 		/* fixme: Add radio support */
> 		.mpeg           = CX88_MPEG_DVB | CX88_MPEG_BLACKBIRD,
> 		.radio = {
> 			.type   = CX88_RADIO,
> 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
> 		},
> 	},
> 
> Guess audio routing and switching is not clear yet.
> 
> The FMD1216ME supports radio over tda9887 and tda7040.
> 
> On the FM1216ME and FM1236 MK3 we can take the stereo indication bit
> from the PLL chip and switch the tda9887 into FM stereo mode
> accordingly. Reading this status information also enables auto scanning
> for radio broadcasts for the applications. (v4l2 aware like kradio
> should be preferred)
> 
> This bit does not work on the hybrid FMD1216ME MK3 and you have to
> create a station list manually once, but then stereo radio is fine.
> 
> On the later FMD1216MEX, which can also be on that board, Steve
> mentioned once that the radio might be slightly different.
> 
> That one is currently treated like the FMD1216ME, but would need its own
> separate tuner type entry in that case.
> 
> We also found hints in tuner specs provided by Steve for ivtv, IIRC,
> that an AFC narrowing down looping can be used to take this as kind of
> signal strength detection on the tda9887 alternatively for the stereo
> bit on the pll. Hartmut was aware of it too, but who likes to work on
> analog radio these days ...

I do. As we embedd these cards on our servers we'd like to add this 
feature to our products (analog to digital streaming servers).
Anyway, this is a feature of the card which is lacking under Linux so 
the question of who is interested in analog radio is not a good 
question. The question of why not going as far as possible when 
supporting a card is a good question.
So yes I am not afraid of saying I'm interested in analgo radio :)

> 
> It is not implemented yet, if it should be related.
> 
> Cheers,
> Hermann
> 
> 
> 

Ok so if I get it right, what you're saying is that stereo radio isn't 
working on HVR 1300 with FMD1216MEX but mono radio is working ? If yes 
I'd like to know how ... shouldn't I just set frequency to /dev/radio, 
then get it from /dev/dsp ??? This for me isn't working and providing 
only noise.

Now if you tell me this is just not implemented yet, then how could I 
help you to implement it ? If it's not scheduled to be implemented one 
day then I might be able to work on it at my office (maybe not me 
directly but one of my coworkers).

Btw I tried on my KNC TV Station DVR (FM1216ME MK3, saa7134, saa6752hs) 
with no success : if I tune to an analog TV station through /dev/video, 
I will get sound from /dev/dsp. Then I tune to a radio through 
/dev/radio ... but I still get the TV sound from /dev/dsp ...

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Product Manager
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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[hermann pitton]

Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 11:04 +0200 schrieb Frederic CAND:
> hermann pitton a écrit :
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Am Donnerstag, den 18.09.2008, 18:22 +0200 schrieb wk:
> >> Frederic CAND wrote:
> >>> Dear all,
> >>>
> >>> has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
> >>> If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
> >>> This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
> >>> I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
> >>> (except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
> >>> instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)
> >>>
> >>> Is radio support just not implemented ?
> >>>
> >>>   
> >> Load cx88_blackbird and open /dev/radioX.
> >> I haven't tried radio up to now, but i would expect that only radio *or* 
> >> dvb works, but not both at the same time. Most probably radio is also 
> >> not feed trough the mpeg encoder.
> >>
> > 
> > a fixme still sticks on radio of the HVR1300.
> > 
> > 			.audioroute = 2,
> > 		},{
> > 			.type	= CX88_VMUX_SVIDEO,
> > 			.vmux	= 2,
> > 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
> > 			.audioroute = 2,
> > 		}},
> > 		/* fixme: Add radio support */
> > 		.mpeg           = CX88_MPEG_DVB | CX88_MPEG_BLACKBIRD,
> > 		.radio = {
> > 			.type   = CX88_RADIO,
> > 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
> > 		},
> > 	},
> > 
> > Guess audio routing and switching is not clear yet.
> > 
> > The FMD1216ME supports radio over tda9887 and tda7040.
> > 
> > On the FM1216ME and FM1236 MK3 we can take the stereo indication bit
> > from the PLL chip and switch the tda9887 into FM stereo mode
> > accordingly. Reading this status information also enables auto scanning
> > for radio broadcasts for the applications. (v4l2 aware like kradio
> > should be preferred)
> > 
> > This bit does not work on the hybrid FMD1216ME MK3 and you have to
> > create a station list manually once, but then stereo radio is fine.
> > 
> > On the later FMD1216MEX, which can also be on that board, Steve
> > mentioned once that the radio might be slightly different.
> > 
> > That one is currently treated like the FMD1216ME, but would need its own
> > separate tuner type entry in that case.
> > 
> > We also found hints in tuner specs provided by Steve for ivtv, IIRC,
> > that an AFC narrowing down looping can be used to take this as kind of
> > signal strength detection on the tda9887 alternatively for the stereo
> > bit on the pll. Hartmut was aware of it too, but who likes to work on
> > analog radio these days ...
> 
> I do. As we embedd these cards on our servers we'd like to add this 
> feature to our products (analog to digital streaming servers).
> Anyway, this is a feature of the card which is lacking under Linux so 
> the question of who is interested in analog radio is not a good 
> question. The question of why not going as far as possible when 
> supporting a card is a good question.
> So yes I am not afraid of saying I'm interested in analgo radio :)

I'm interested too :) and worked with others on the tda9887 radio
support, but on the FM1216ME/I H-3 and some other MK3 tuners.

Don't have a HVR-1300 and can give you only hints about the FMD1216ME
radio status and that you should have noticed the FIXME.

> > 
> > It is not implemented yet, if it should be related.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Hermann
> > 
> > 
> > 
> 
> Ok so if I get it right, what you're saying is that stereo radio isn't 
> working on HVR 1300 with FMD1216MEX but mono radio is working ? If yes 
> I'd like to know how ... shouldn't I just set frequency to /dev/radio, 
> then get it from /dev/dsp ??? This for me isn't working and providing 
> only noise.

I know nothing about the radio on the FMD1216MEX, but I did let you know
that it might be eventually different according to Steve.

If you would be on the right list with your questions, you would know
that the FMD1216ME not X doesn't work either yet on this card for radio.

> Now if you tell me this is just not implemented yet, then how could I 
> help you to implement it ? If it's not scheduled to be implemented one 
> day then I might be able to work on it at my office (maybe not me 
> directly but one of my coworkers).

This is only a speculation derived from FM1216ME and only about signal
strength for auto scanning. Else the FMD1216ME has working stereo radio
already.

You would need datasheets and preferably sample code too for the FMD
tuners and that you can get only under NDA, AFAIK.

> Btw I tried on my KNC TV Station DVR (FM1216ME MK3, saa7134, saa6752hs) 
> with no success : if I tune to an analog TV station through /dev/video, 
> I will get sound from /dev/dsp. Then I tune to a radio through 
> /dev/radio ... but I still get the TV sound from /dev/dsp ...

IIRC, when that rarely seen card was added, there was no radio support
for the MK3 tuners yet. Likely some switching is wrong.

Radio is on the same amux like TV MONO, see the previous card.

I know for sure that we have radio mono on the tda9887 since card=12.

After Hartmut added the FMD1216ME with radio, Nickolay and me
immediately realized that on some point in our prior tries for stereo
radio on the FM1216ME we were already right. Short time later we had
support for it.

All on the video4linux list ...

Cheers,
Hermann





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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[Frederic CAND]

hermann pitton a écrit :
> Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 11:04 +0200 schrieb Frederic CAND:
>> hermann pitton a écrit :
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, den 18.09.2008, 18:22 +0200 schrieb wk:
>>>> Frederic CAND wrote:
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>> has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
>>>>> If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
>>>>> This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
>>>>> I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
>>>>> (except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
>>>>> instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)
>>>>>
>>>>> Is radio support just not implemented ?
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>> Load cx88_blackbird and open /dev/radioX.
>>>> I haven't tried radio up to now, but i would expect that only radio *or* 
>>>> dvb works, but not both at the same time. Most probably radio is also 
>>>> not feed trough the mpeg encoder.
>>>>
>>> a fixme still sticks on radio of the HVR1300.
>>>
>>> 			.audioroute = 2,
>>> 		},{
>>> 			.type	= CX88_VMUX_SVIDEO,
>>> 			.vmux	= 2,
>>> 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
>>> 			.audioroute = 2,
>>> 		}},
>>> 		/* fixme: Add radio support */
>>> 		.mpeg           = CX88_MPEG_DVB | CX88_MPEG_BLACKBIRD,
>>> 		.radio = {
>>> 			.type   = CX88_RADIO,
>>> 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
>>> 		},
>>> 	},
>>>
>>> Guess audio routing and switching is not clear yet.
>>>
>>> The FMD1216ME supports radio over tda9887 and tda7040.
>>>
>>> On the FM1216ME and FM1236 MK3 we can take the stereo indication bit
>>> from the PLL chip and switch the tda9887 into FM stereo mode
>>> accordingly. Reading this status information also enables auto scanning
>>> for radio broadcasts for the applications. (v4l2 aware like kradio
>>> should be preferred)
>>>
>>> This bit does not work on the hybrid FMD1216ME MK3 and you have to
>>> create a station list manually once, but then stereo radio is fine.
>>>
>>> On the later FMD1216MEX, which can also be on that board, Steve
>>> mentioned once that the radio might be slightly different.
>>>
>>> That one is currently treated like the FMD1216ME, but would need its own
>>> separate tuner type entry in that case.
>>>
>>> We also found hints in tuner specs provided by Steve for ivtv, IIRC,
>>> that an AFC narrowing down looping can be used to take this as kind of
>>> signal strength detection on the tda9887 alternatively for the stereo
>>> bit on the pll. Hartmut was aware of it too, but who likes to work on
>>> analog radio these days ...
>> I do. As we embedd these cards on our servers we'd like to add this 
>> feature to our products (analog to digital streaming servers).
>> Anyway, this is a feature of the card which is lacking under Linux so 
>> the question of who is interested in analog radio is not a good 
>> question. The question of why not going as far as possible when 
>> supporting a card is a good question.
>> So yes I am not afraid of saying I'm interested in analgo radio :)
> 
> I'm interested too :) and worked with others on the tda9887 radio
> support, but on the FM1216ME/I H-3 and some other MK3 tuners.
That's the one present on the KNC TV Station DVR.

> 
> Don't have a HVR-1300 and can give you only hints about the FMD1216ME
> radio status and that you should have noticed the FIXME.
> 
>>> It is not implemented yet, if it should be related.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hermann
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Ok so if I get it right, what you're saying is that stereo radio isn't 
>> working on HVR 1300 with FMD1216MEX but mono radio is working ? If yes 
>> I'd like to know how ... shouldn't I just set frequency to /dev/radio, 
>> then get it from /dev/dsp ??? This for me isn't working and providing 
>> only noise.
> 
> I know nothing about the radio on the FMD1216MEX, but I did let you know
> that it might be eventually different according to Steve.
> 
> If you would be on the right list with your questions, you would know
> that the FMD1216ME not X doesn't work either yet on this card for radio.
> 
>> Now if you tell me this is just not implemented yet, then how could I 
>> help you to implement it ? If it's not scheduled to be implemented one 
>> day then I might be able to work on it at my office (maybe not me 
>> directly but one of my coworkers).
> 
> This is only a speculation derived from FM1216ME and only about signal
> strength for auto scanning. Else the FMD1216ME has working stereo radio
> already.
> 
> You would need datasheets and preferably sample code too for the FMD
> tuners and that you can get only under NDA, AFAIK.
> 
>> Btw I tried on my KNC TV Station DVR (FM1216ME MK3, saa7134, saa6752hs) 
>> with no success : if I tune to an analog TV station through /dev/video, 
>> I will get sound from /dev/dsp. Then I tune to a radio through 
>> /dev/radio ... but I still get the TV sound from /dev/dsp ...
> 
> IIRC, when that rarely seen card was added, there was no radio support
> for the MK3 tuners yet. Likely some switching is wrong.
> 
> Radio is on the same amux like TV MONO, see the previous card.
> 
> I know for sure that we have radio mono on the tda9887 since card=12.
> 
> After Hartmut added the FMD1216ME with radio, Nickolay and me
> immediately realized that on some point in our prior tries for stereo
> radio on the FM1216ME we were already right. Short time later we had
> support for it.
> 
> All on the video4linux list ...
> 


Fine. I'll try to make radio work on this card as it seems it can be done.

Regarding the FMD1216ME and MEX, I'll try to contact NXP and see if I 
can have datasheets and / or support from them in order to support radio 
on these tuners under Linux. We have here at the office the FM1216ME 
datasheets from NXP but not the other ones.

But, how was implemented tv support of these tuners in v4l-dvb ? wasn't 
it already using datasheets ? Who did it ? Maybe we could contact the 
ont who initialy worked on these tuners and have a nice chat with 
him/her, to see how much work it would be, a.s.o. ?



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Re: [linux-dvb] hvr 1300 radio

[hermann pitton]

Am Dienstag, den 23.09.2008, 10:23 +0200 schrieb Frederic CAND:
> hermann pitton a écrit :
> > Am Montag, den 22.09.2008, 11:04 +0200 schrieb Frederic CAND:
> >> hermann pitton a écrit :
> >>> Hi,
> >>>
> >>> Am Donnerstag, den 18.09.2008, 18:22 +0200 schrieb wk:
> >>>> Frederic CAND wrote:
> >>>>> Dear all,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> has anyone got analog FM radio working with an Hauppauge HVR 1300 ?
> >>>>> If yes please tell me how ! I got only noise from /dev/dsp* ... :(
> >>>>> This is an issue I've had for some time now ...
> >>>>> I tried option radio=63 on cx88xx module but it did not change anything 
> >>>>> (except writing cx88[0]: TV tuner type 63, Radio tuner type 63 in dmesg 
> >>>>> instead of radio tuner type -1 ...)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Is radio support just not implemented ?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>   
> >>>> Load cx88_blackbird and open /dev/radioX.
> >>>> I haven't tried radio up to now, but i would expect that only radio *or* 
> >>>> dvb works, but not both at the same time. Most probably radio is also 
> >>>> not feed trough the mpeg encoder.
> >>>>
> >>> a fixme still sticks on radio of the HVR1300.
> >>>
> >>> 			.audioroute = 2,
> >>> 		},{
> >>> 			.type	= CX88_VMUX_SVIDEO,
> >>> 			.vmux	= 2,
> >>> 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
> >>> 			.audioroute = 2,
> >>> 		}},
> >>> 		/* fixme: Add radio support */
> >>> 		.mpeg           = CX88_MPEG_DVB | CX88_MPEG_BLACKBIRD,
> >>> 		.radio = {
> >>> 			.type   = CX88_RADIO,
> >>> 			.gpio0	= 0xe780,
> >>> 		},
> >>> 	},
> >>>
> >>> Guess audio routing and switching is not clear yet.
> >>>
> >>> The FMD1216ME supports radio over tda9887 and tda7040.
> >>>
> >>> On the FM1216ME and FM1236 MK3 we can take the stereo indication bit
> >>> from the PLL chip and switch the tda9887 into FM stereo mode
> >>> accordingly. Reading this status information also enables auto scanning
> >>> for radio broadcasts for the applications. (v4l2 aware like kradio
> >>> should be preferred)
> >>>
> >>> This bit does not work on the hybrid FMD1216ME MK3 and you have to
> >>> create a station list manually once, but then stereo radio is fine.
> >>>
> >>> On the later FMD1216MEX, which can also be on that board, Steve
> >>> mentioned once that the radio might be slightly different.
> >>>
> >>> That one is currently treated like the FMD1216ME, but would need its own
> >>> separate tuner type entry in that case.
> >>>
> >>> We also found hints in tuner specs provided by Steve for ivtv, IIRC,
> >>> that an AFC narrowing down looping can be used to take this as kind of
> >>> signal strength detection on the tda9887 alternatively for the stereo
> >>> bit on the pll. Hartmut was aware of it too, but who likes to work on
> >>> analog radio these days ...
> >> I do. As we embedd these cards on our servers we'd like to add this 
> >> feature to our products (analog to digital streaming servers).
> >> Anyway, this is a feature of the card which is lacking under Linux so 
> >> the question of who is interested in analog radio is not a good 
> >> question. The question of why not going as far as possible when 
> >> supporting a card is a good question.
> >> So yes I am not afraid of saying I'm interested in analgo radio :)
> > 
> > I'm interested too :) and worked with others on the tda9887 radio
> > support, but on the FM1216ME/I H-3 and some other MK3 tuners.
> That's the one present on the KNC TV Station DVR.
> 
> > 
> > Don't have a HVR-1300 and can give you only hints about the FMD1216ME
> > radio status and that you should have noticed the FIXME.
> > 
> >>> It is not implemented yet, if it should be related.
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Hermann
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Ok so if I get it right, what you're saying is that stereo radio isn't 
> >> working on HVR 1300 with FMD1216MEX but mono radio is working ? If yes 
> >> I'd like to know how ... shouldn't I just set frequency to /dev/radio, 
> >> then get it from /dev/dsp ??? This for me isn't working and providing 
> >> only noise.
> > 
> > I know nothing about the radio on the FMD1216MEX, but I did let you know
> > that it might be eventually different according to Steve.
> > 
> > If you would be on the right list with your questions, you would know
> > that the FMD1216ME not X doesn't work either yet on this card for radio.
> > 
> >> Now if you tell me this is just not implemented yet, then how could I 
> >> help you to implement it ? If it's not scheduled to be implemented one 
> >> day then I might be able to work on it at my office (maybe not me 
> >> directly but one of my coworkers).
> > 
> > This is only a speculation derived from FM1216ME and only about signal
> > strength for auto scanning. Else the FMD1216ME has working stereo radio
> > already.
> > 
> > You would need datasheets and preferably sample code too for the FMD
> > tuners and that you can get only under NDA, AFAIK.
> > 
> >> Btw I tried on my KNC TV Station DVR (FM1216ME MK3, saa7134, saa6752hs) 
> >> with no success : if I tune to an analog TV station through /dev/video, 
> >> I will get sound from /dev/dsp. Then I tune to a radio through 
> >> /dev/radio ... but I still get the TV sound from /dev/dsp ...
> > 
> > IIRC, when that rarely seen card was added, there was no radio support
> > for the MK3 tuners yet. Likely some switching is wrong.
> > 
> > Radio is on the same amux like TV MONO, see the previous card.
> > 
> > I know for sure that we have radio mono on the tda9887 since card=12.
> > 
> > After Hartmut added the FMD1216ME with radio, Nickolay and me
> > immediately realized that on some point in our prior tries for stereo
> > radio on the FM1216ME we were already right. Short time later we had
> > support for it.
> > 
> > All on the video4linux list ...
> > 

Hi Frederic,

> Fine. I'll try to make radio work on this card as it seems it can be done.
> 
> Regarding the FMD1216ME and MEX, I'll try to contact NXP and see if I 
> can have datasheets and / or support from them in order to support radio 
> on these tuners under Linux. We have here at the office the FM1216ME 
> datasheets from NXP but not the other ones.
> 
> But, how was implemented tv support of these tuners in v4l-dvb ? wasn't 
> it already using datasheets ? Who did it ? Maybe we could contact the 
> ont who initialy worked on these tuners and have a nice chat with 
> him/her, to see how much work it would be, a.s.o. ?

to some point I can understand your frustration, as you previously had
already fun with the empress encoder.

The Philips MK3 tuners were hacked.

Over several years countless people, no that is not true, I can remember
every single one, contributed to get port/qss and tuner specific options
right around the globe. And we had it all so far.

Finally Hauppauge provided datasheets to ivtv and Hans did the remaining
clean ups, Trent also helped to resolve regressions we introduced for
microtune stuff during the try to get the Philips right.

I know, if you have the FM1216ME programming instructions, it looks like
just a grin, but we did not have them and it is still not that easy,
since there are other tuners using/abusing the tda987/5/5/7 stuff too.

Hartmut introduced the FMD1216ME MK3 under NDA.

It is tricky for analog initialization and heavily exposed to potential
regressions within a moving tuner framework.

Of course DVB-T was the main goal that time, but by the way it brought
significant improvements for radio, means solid stereo for the first
time ...  

Feel free to do more.

Cheers,
Hermann





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