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From: Steven Toth <stoth@linuxtv.org>
To: Andreas Oberritter <obi@linuxtv.org>
Cc: Hans Werner <HWerner4@gmx.de>,
	fabbione@fabbione.net, linux-dvb <linux-dvb@linuxtv.org>,
	scarfoglio@arpacoop.it
Subject: Re: [linux-dvb] Multi-frontend patch merge (TESTERS FEEDBACK) was: Re: [PATCH] S2API: add multifrontend
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:24:33 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <48F64371.2080401@linuxtv.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <48F640DA.7060009@linuxtv.org>

Andreas Oberritter wrote:
> Steven Toth wrote:
>> A good example of this in the current kernel (without any MFE patches)
>> is the current cx23885 driver, that registers adapter0 and adapter1 with
>> two different ATSC frontends. I question (and argue) that it should
>> really be /dev/dvb/adapter0/demux{0,1}
> 
> Did you mean frontend{0,1} here?

demux _and_ frontend, for different reasons.

> 
>> The same is also true for the for the multi-frontend patches, it should
>> probably change (as part of an overall adapterX overhaul) to match the
>> LinuxTV DVB API and register only one demux device.
>>
>> That's a much larger project, and has not been addressed yet. Many users
>> will probably also argue that it's unimportant work, when application
>> are currently working.
>>
>> My opinion is that we would review the adapter usage and determine
>> whether we need or want to change that. If we do change it we should
>> probably add some better application interfaces from the adapter inode -
>> In a model similar to the S2API has done for frontends. Applications
>> would then be able to query board specific details in a way that cannot
>> be easily done now.
> 
> Yes, such an interface is definitely missing.

Yeah, I've been thinking more and more about this. I need to finish some 
other projects before I try some ideas - but I think we need more bridge 
level support for applications.

> 
>> However, regardless of my opinions, it would be a mistake to hold back a
>> merge of the current multi-frontend patches. Instead, we should merge
>> the large number of MFE patches and start a larger adapter level
>> discussion and slowly evolve with smaller patches. (We'll need someone
>> to draft an RFC).
> 
> There's no need to hold back the merge. Even if someone decides to change
> the code to match the DVB API later, then it wouldn't be a change to the
> API itself. (Or is there any change being done to the user interface now?)
> Application developers can already add support for DMX_SET_SOURCE now.

OK.

> 
>> Are you volunteering to address this larger subject?
> 
> No.

OK. To be honest, I dbout anyone else will either.

Regards,

- Steve


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      reply	other threads:[~2008-10-15 19:24 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 71+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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2008-09-09  0:43 ` [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update barry bouwsma
2008-09-09  1:17   ` hermann pitton
2008-09-09 12:02     ` barry bouwsma
2008-09-09 12:12       ` Rudy Zijlstra
2008-09-09 15:33         ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-09 20:59           ` Simon Kenyon
2008-09-09 21:14             ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-10  0:02               ` Steven Toth
2008-09-10  0:42               ` [linux-dvb] How to measure API "goodness"? Andy Walls
2008-09-10  3:40                 ` Glenn McGrath
2008-09-10  4:14                   ` hermann pitton
2008-09-11 23:05                   ` Johannes Stezenbach
2008-09-12  1:13                     ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-12  2:32                   ` Andy Walls
2008-09-13 22:46           ` [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update Manu Abraham
2008-09-13 22:56             ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-13 23:31               ` Manu Abraham
2008-09-14  2:10                 ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 10:51                   ` barry bouwsma
2008-09-14 13:51                     ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 14:29                       ` Steven Toth
2008-09-14 14:27                   ` Steven Toth
2008-09-14 15:14                     ` barry bouwsma
2008-09-14 15:28                       ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 16:54                       ` Steven Toth
2008-09-14 19:51                         ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 21:57                           ` Steven Toth
2008-09-14 22:03                             ` Andreas Oberritter
2008-09-14 22:27                               ` Steven Toth
2008-09-14 22:33                             ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 22:41                               ` hermann pitton
2008-09-16 16:45                       ` Benny Amorsen
2008-09-16 19:04                         ` [linux-dvb] OT: Dual/BSD Licensing (was: Re: Multiproto API/Driver Update) BOUWSMA Barry
2008-09-16 19:16                           ` [linux-dvb] OT: Dual/BSD Licensing Benny Amorsen
2008-09-14 15:38                 ` [linux-dvb] Multiproto API/Driver Update Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 17:02                   ` Steven Toth
2008-09-14 18:51                     ` Manu Abraham
2008-09-14 20:08                       ` Christophe Thommeret
2008-09-15  0:17                         ` hermann pitton
2008-09-14 20:45                       ` Andy Walls
2008-09-14 21:01                         ` Manu Abraham
2008-09-14 22:20                           ` Andy Walls
2008-09-14 22:36                             ` Manu Abraham
2008-09-15  4:23                             ` hermann pitton
2008-09-14 21:03                         ` Manu Abraham
2008-09-15  5:50                         ` Julian Scheel
2008-09-15 15:42                           ` Michael Krufky
2008-09-19 10:58                             ` Julian Scheel
2008-09-19 19:51                               ` VDR User
2008-09-24 16:54                               ` Oliver Endriss
2008-09-15 23:10                           ` Andy Walls
2008-09-16  2:55                             ` hermann pitton
2008-09-14  3:39               ` hermann pitton
2008-09-14 19:08             ` Simon Kenyon
2008-09-14 19:25               ` Markus Rechberger
2008-09-14 20:54                 ` Simon Kenyon
2008-09-14 21:00                   ` Markus Rechberger
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2008-10-13 15:37                                                                     ` [linux-dvb] Multi-frontend patch merge (TESTERS FEEDBACK) was: Re: [PATCH] S2API: add multifrontend Steven Toth
2008-10-13 16:07                                                                       ` Darron Broad
2008-10-13 16:18                                                                         ` Steven Toth
2008-10-13 21:19                                                                           ` hermann pitton
2008-10-13 23:23                                                                           ` Hans Werner
2008-10-17  1:20                                                                             ` Hans Werner
2008-10-14  5:25                                                                       ` Andreas Oberritter
2008-10-14 10:42                                                                         ` Darron Broad
2008-10-14 22:06                                                                           ` Steven Toth
2008-10-14 14:57                                                                         ` Steven Toth
2008-10-15 16:44                                                                           ` Christophe Thommeret
2008-10-15 19:23                                                                             ` Andreas Oberritter
2008-10-15 19:13                                                                           ` Andreas Oberritter
2008-10-15 19:24                                                                             ` Steven Toth [this message]

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