Re: [linux-dvb] lifeview pci trio (saa7134) not working through diseqc anymore

[Jordi Molse <jordi.moles@gmail.com>]

En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:
> Am Freitag, den 12.12.2008, 00:26 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:
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>> En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:
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>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 09:05 +0100 schrieb Jordi Moles Blanco:
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>>>> En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:
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>>>>> Am Donnerstag, den 11.12.2008, 02:02 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:
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>>>>>> En/na hermann pitton ha escrit:
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>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Am Mittwoch, den 10.12.2008, 20:45 +0100 schrieb Jordi Molse:
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>>>>>>>> En/na BOUWSMA Barry ha escrit:
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>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Jordi Moles Blanco wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> And it doesn't matter if i run "scan -s 1" or "scan -s 2" or "scan -s
>>>>>>>>>>>> 3", it will always scan from "switch 1"
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>>>>>>>>>>> Try with -s 0; I'm not sure if it is always the case,
>>>>>>>>>>> but my unhacked `scan' uses 0-3 for DiSEqC positions
>>>>>>>>>>> 1/4 to 4/4 -- I've hacked this to use the range of 1-4
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>>>>>>>>>> hi, thanks for anwsering.
>>>>>>>>>> I've already tried that.
>>>>>>>>>> remember, on switch 1 i've got astra 28.2E and on switch 2 i've got astra 19E
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>>>>>>>>> I realized soon after sending my reply, that I had probably
>>>>>>>>> confused myself about which inputs you had where, and my
>>>>>>>>> advice, while partly correct, wouldn't help...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyway -- the important thing to remember, is that if your
>>>>>>>>> `scan' works as I expect and your kernel modules work properly
>>>>>>>>> and you have a 2/1 DiSEqC switch, that scan -s option...
>>>>>>>>>  0 -- will tune to position 1/2;
>>>>>>>>>  1 -- will tune to position 2/2;
>>>>>>>>>  2 -- will cycle back and tune position 1/2;
>>>>>>>>>  3 -- will again tune position 2/2
>>>>>>>>>  4 -- should spit a warning, I think (something does)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In other words -- if your system worked properly, `-s 1'
>>>>>>>>> would give you 19E2 and `-s 2' would give you 28E; the
>>>>>>>>> opposite of your switch labels.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>> I don't why but it looks like it doesn't know how to switch to "switch 2"
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>>>>>>>>> If I understand from your original post (re-reading it;
>>>>>>>>> as soon as people start posting distribution or system
>>>>>>>>> details my eyes sort of glaze over, while other people
>>>>>>>>> will get an `aha!' moment that shall remain elusive to
>>>>>>>>> me)...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> An older kernel version + modules worked;
>>>>>>>>> an update of those modules broke DiSEqC;
>>>>>>>>> your original kernel and modules didn't support your card.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I would suggest -- keeping in mind that the dvb kernel
>>>>>>>>> modules, which you should see with `lsmod', are where you
>>>>>>>>> should find correct support, are probably in some package
>>>>>>>>> unknown to me which you'd need to downgrade -- would be to
>>>>>>>>> either revert, if possible, whatever contains those modules,
>>>>>>>>> or jump ahead several kernel versions.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you feel comfortable compiling and installing a newer
>>>>>>>>> kernel (which is now around the 2.6.28 area), you could do
>>>>>>>>> that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Alternatively, and possibly better, would be to upgrade
>>>>>>>>> only the linux-dvb kernel modules, building them against
>>>>>>>>> your 2.6.24-era kernel source, which you may need to
>>>>>>>>> download and install.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's simple to download and build the latest linux-dvb
>>>>>>>>> modules even against a 2.6.24 kernel, and that should
>>>>>>>>> make things work -- if not, then something's been broken
>>>>>>>>> for a while, and some expert should be able to help you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> barryb ouwsma
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>>> http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/linux-dvb
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>>>>>>>> Hi again,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and thanks for the info.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately, diseqc seems broken, because no matter what i try
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -s 0, 1 , 2 ,3.... i get 28.2E signal
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> however, 4 shows an error, as you said.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It used to work... so i'll try to get back or compile new linux-dvb 
>>>>>>>> module as you suggested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i'm really really newbie in this, i'm using kubuntu, so imagine.... 
>>>>>>>> hahahaha.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i don't even know how to get started, i barely install thing by "apt-get"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> i'll try to find the way or post instead my problem in an ubuntu forum.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> thanks for the info.
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> we need a report at least from 2.6.25 or current v4l-dvb from
>>>>>>> linuxtv.org.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Prior to this patch
>>>>>>> http://linuxtv.org/pipermail/linux-dvb/2007-June/018741.html
>>>>>>> the Trio failed for 13 Volts and tone generation.
>>>>>>> Don't have the hardware, but would expect BBC 1 London to work and BBC 1
>>>>>>> CI to fail.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This patch disabled some lnpb21 boards, which have that one connected in
>>>>>>> such a way, that diseqc forwarding is disabled. They need it from the
>>>>>>> tda10086.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This was fixed by Hartmut with suggestions from Patrick to make it a
>>>>>>> config option, if the tda10086 or the LNB chip in question is active.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config
>>>>>>> currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should
>>>>>>> forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For looking at Ubuntu stuff, they downport a lot of things, because
>>>>>>> always late with kernel releases, we need the exact sources to diff
>>>>>>> against.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I still have only that single dish for initially helping Hartmut with
>>>>>>> the isl6405 devel, but no rotors and switches yet and might be not of
>>>>>>> much help.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Hermann
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks for the info. I agree that in ubuntu there seem always to be 
>>>>>> "unfinished" things and then rush many things into "stable" releases 
>>>>>> when "it's time".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyway....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i tried to upgrade the system from "hardy" to "intrepid", which meant a 
>>>>>> lot of ports upgraded, including kernel
>>>>>> 2.6.27.9.13
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that thing you say...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "All saa7134 DVB-S drivers have this option as diseqc = 0 in the config
>>>>>>
>>>>>> currently and it should be right for the Trio too and the isl6421 should
>>>>>> forward."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> is there any way i can try this? is there any config file i can edit to 
>>>>>> make that happen (to make diseqc work)?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> i'm not a experienced user ,but i've got the card and i'm really willing 
>>>>>> to help in any posible way.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> just let me know what i can do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> thanks.
>>>>>>
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>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> on that 2.6.27 "BBC 1 London" _and_ "BBC 1 CI" or equivalent at least
>>>>> should work on 28.2. It does for me on lnpb21 and isl6405.
>>>>>
>>>>> If something is still left for the switch then, either way connected, we
>>>>> can start to scratch our heads or pull hair later, seems to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Hermann
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>>>> hi,
>>>>
>>>> well.. it doesn't work in my case.... double and triple checked, 
>>>> hehehe.... are you using the same card lifeview trio or another one with 
>>>> the same chip?
>>>>
>>>> would you mind telling me what linux system are you working with? i'm 
>>>> desperate for this to work, i will change to any distro that makes 
>>>> diseqc work.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> as said, I have neither the Trio with isl6421 nor any DiSEqC switches in
>>> use.
>>>
>>> But an Asus Tiger 3in1 with lnpb21 and several other cards with isl6405,
>>> like Medion Quads, triple Creatix CTX948 and CTX929 DVB-S only.
>>>
>>> All this cards work for 13/18Volts and low/high band switching, means
>>> all broadcasts are available except DVB-S2 stuff.
>>>
>>> The dual LNB isl6405 is totally identical to the isl6421 concerning the
>>> programming of the first LNB and there have been reports for receiving
>>> over 2000 services on 13.0E with the Trio cardbus. That should indicate
>>> that at least all direct simple voltage and tone low/high switching
>>> should work as well.
>>>
>>> If possible, try to circumvent the switch once and connect directly to a
>>> dish. You should be able to receive low and high band stuff on 13 and 18
>>> Volts.
>>>
>>> For mixed old and new modules loaded, try "make rmmod" twice and "make
>>> rminstall" on top of mercurial v4l-dvb. Check if any modules are left in
>>> your kernel version media modules folder or just delete/backup it
>>> completely.
>>>
>>> Run "make install" and "modprobe -v saa7134" assuming you have
>>> "use_frontend=1" already in your module options.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Hermann
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>
> Hi,
>
>   
>>>   
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>> hey,
>>
>> thanks for the info.
>>
>> if i don't use diseqc, i can view every possible channels for each 
>> satellite, the problem appears only when it goes through diseqc.
>>     
>
> OK good.
>
>   
>> thanks for the tips on how fixing the system, but because i have no 
>> patiente and i'm a newbie (and have nothing of value in this machine), i 
>> ended up reinstalling everything, which takes less time for me.
>>     
>
> I'm not aware of any recent change and think it doesn't matter anyway,
> as long you can change the source to come back to what seemed to be
> working for you.
>
>   
>> i just sent a message to the list, saying if it's possible i've broken 
>> the card somehow. Please, have a look at it and tell me what you think.
>>
>> thanks.
>>     
>
> I really tried hard, until realized the isl6405 is behind the tda10086
> i2c bridge, but think it is close to impossible with what we have around
> and at all, except high voltage occurs from outside without protection.
>
> I would try a cold boot next, say 40 seconds without any power
> connected. The 13 and 18 Volts you can also easily measure at the
> connector of the card.
>
> Good Luck,
>
> Hermann
>
>
>
>
>   
oh, i hadn't thought of that... the computer has always been powered on 
all the time. As it is not running anything critical, i will try to plug 
everything out for the whole night and try again tomorrow. We'll see 
then if magic comes for breakfast, hahaha!!!

thanks.

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