[linux-dvb] HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[linux-dvb] HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Steven Toth]

It's best to explain it here:

http://steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250

Regards,

- Steve


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Re: [linux-dvb] HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[John Drescher]

On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Steven Toth <stoth@linuxtv.org> wrote:
> It's best to explain it here:
>
> http://steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250
>

Any way to get a running total on your blog?

John

Re: [linux-dvb] HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Steven Toth]

John Drescher wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Steven Toth <stoth@linuxtv.org> wrote:
>> It's best to explain it here:
>>
>> http://steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250
>>
> 
> Any way to get a running total on your blog?

I'll try to figure something out.

- Steve

Re: [linux-dvb] HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[John Drescher]

On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Steven Toth <stoth@linuxtv.org> wrote:
> John Drescher wrote:
>> On Thu, Feb 19, 2009 at 11:57 PM, Steven Toth <stoth@linuxtv.org> wrote:
>>> It's best to explain it here:
>>>
>>> http://steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250
>>>
>>
>> Any way to get a running total on your blog?
>
> I'll try to figure something out.
>

BTW, Can this be posted in the Mythtv forum as well? I know there are
a few users there (myself included) that would be very interested in
this card.

John

[linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[John Drescher]

> >> Any way to get a running total on your blog?

I'm not against donating for hardware support but I would like to see
the total (and it increase after I donate) and also the code tree
published so others can contribute and track changes.
Regards,
Andrew
PS. Thanks for all your hard work on all the drivers - not just this
one. It's greatly appreciated by the MythTV community among others and
myself.

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Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Steven Toth]

John Drescher wrote:
>>>> Any way to get a running total on your blog?
> 
> I'm not against donating for hardware support but I would like to see
> the total (and it increase after I donate) and also the code tree
> published so others can contribute and track changes.

I don't have anything that sophisticated to be honest. If that bothers you then 
I understand and respect your decision not to support the project.

I can't publish any source code until the driver is largely complete, that's not 
my call, that's the arrangement with NXP.


> PS. Thanks for all your hard work on all the drivers - not just this
> one. It's greatly appreciated by the MythTV community among others and
> myself.

I had specifically decided NOT to look at any HVR-2250 web stats for a week. I 
ran the numbers today and this is where I am:

http://www.steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250/

Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[John Drescher]

>>>>> Any way to get a running total on your blog?
>>
>> I'm not against donating for hardware support but I would like to see
>> the total (and it increase after I donate) and also the code tree
>> published so others can contribute and track changes.
>
> I don't have anything that sophisticated to be honest. If that bothers you then
> I understand and respect your decision not to support the project.
>
> I can't publish any source code until the driver is largely complete, that's not
> my call, that's the arrangement with NXP.
>
>
>> PS. Thanks for all your hard work on all the drivers - not just this
>> one. It's greatly appreciated by the MythTV community among others and
>> myself.
>
> I had specifically decided NOT to look at any HVR-2250 web stats for a week. I
> ran the numbers today and this is where I am:
>
> http://www.steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250/
>
Well I just made that 5. Being a software developer myself, I know
this will not go far but hopefully more people will see find the page
and help out.

Also BTW the other message was from Andrew Barbaccia who replied to me
instead of the list so I just forwarded it..

John

Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Steven Toth]

John Drescher wrote:
>>>>>> Any way to get a running total on your blog?
>>> I'm not against donating for hardware support but I would like to see
>>> the total (and it increase after I donate) and also the code tree
>>> published so others can contribute and track changes.
>> I don't have anything that sophisticated to be honest. If that bothers you then
>> I understand and respect your decision not to support the project.
>>
>> I can't publish any source code until the driver is largely complete, that's not
>> my call, that's the arrangement with NXP.
>>
>>
>>> PS. Thanks for all your hard work on all the drivers - not just this
>>> one. It's greatly appreciated by the MythTV community among others and
>>> myself.
>> I had specifically decided NOT to look at any HVR-2250 web stats for a week. I
>> ran the numbers today and this is where I am:
>>
>> http://www.steventoth.net/blog/hvr-2250/
>>
> Well I just made that 5. Being a software developer myself, I know
> this will not go far but hopefully more people will see find the page
> and help out.

Thanks John.

> 
> Also BTW the other message was from Andrew Barbaccia who replied to me
> instead of the list so I just forwarded it..

Ahh, fair enough.

Thanks again,

Steve

Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Andrew Barbaccia]

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>
> >> I don't have anything that sophisticated to be honest. If that bothers
> you then
> >> I understand and respect your decision not to support the project.
>
[snip]

>
> >>
> >> I can't publish any source code until the driver is largely complete,
> that's not
> >> my call, that's the arrangement with NXP.
>

Sorry, maybe I phrased my request as a solution which is not what I
intended. I was unaware of your agreements with NXP. I see you added how
much money has been donated to your post. That's more than enough of a
status indicator for me.

Possibly could you roughly estimate how much more work is required and
present it in the same manner?

I want to you know that I do support this project and have just contributed
- both as a thank you for your prior work and willingness to help the
community in addition to the HVR-2250 support.

Thanks,
Andrew

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Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Andrew Barbaccia
> Sorry, maybe I phrased my request as a solution which is not what I
> intended. I was unaware of your agreements with NXP. I see you added how
> much money has been donated to your post. That's more than enough of a
> status indicator for me.
> Possibly could you roughly estimate how much more work is required and
> present it in the same manner?
> I want to you know that I do support this project and have just contributed
> - both as a thank you for your prior work and willingness to help the
> community in addition to the HVR-2250 support.

Andrew,

I cannot speak to the saa7164, but to give you an order of magnitude,
I spent over a month working on the saa7136 support, working every
night and weekend for 4-6 hours.  The analog support I did for the
au0828/au8522 took about 100 hours.

So, while not necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison, these
drivers tend to take tens or sometimes hundreds of hours of
development.  They are definitely a non-trivial amount of work to do.

Bear in mind that the saa7164 is a much more complicated chip than the saa7136.

Devin

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Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[John Drescher]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:34 PM, Devin Heitmueller
<devin.heitmueller@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:27 PM, Andrew Barbaccia
>> Sorry, maybe I phrased my request as a solution which is not what I
>> intended. I was unaware of your agreements with NXP. I see you added how
>> much money has been donated to your post. That's more than enough of a
>> status indicator for me.
>> Possibly could you roughly estimate how much more work is required and
>> present it in the same manner?
>> I want to you know that I do support this project and have just contributed
>> - both as a thank you for your prior work and willingness to help the
>> community in addition to the HVR-2250 support.
>
> Andrew,
>
> I cannot speak to the saa7164, but to give you an order of magnitude,
> I spent over a month working on the saa7136 support, working every
> night and weekend for 4-6 hours.  The analog support I did for the
> au0828/au8522 took about 100 hours.
>
> So, while not necessarily an apples-to-apples comparison, these
> drivers tend to take tens or sometimes hundreds of hours of
> development.  They are definitely a non-trivial amount of work to do.
>
> Bear in mind that the saa7164 is a much more complicated chip than the saa7136.
>

So now (with my donation) we have him working at $1/hour assuming that
it takes only 100 hours..

John

Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Andrew Barbaccia]

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>
> So now (with my donation) we have him working at $1/hour assuming that
> it takes only 100 hours..
>

Well, $2, with mine. ;-)

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Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM, John Drescher <drescherjm@gmail.com> wrote:
> So now (with my donation) we have him working at $1/hour assuming that
> it takes only 100 hours..

Well, this assumes that it would only take 100 hours, of which given
the complexity of the device, it will probably take more than twice
that (since it's a PCI device and the estimates I gave are for USB
devices).

If nothing else, it offers some insight as to how valuable the work of
people like Steven is (he has written a whole bunch of different
drivers).  It also demonstrates one reason there are so few developers
willing to do this sort of work.  Getting a developer to donate a
couple of evening's worth of time is pretty easy.  Getting them to
make a commitment of every day for the next two to three months is
quite harder.

Devin

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Re: [linux-dvb] Fwd: HVR2250 Status - Where am I?

[Steven Toth]

Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 1:38 PM, John Drescher <drescherjm@gmail.com> wrote:
>> So now (with my donation) we have him working at $1/hour assuming that
>> it takes only 100 hours..
> 
> Well, this assumes that it would only take 100 hours, of which given
> the complexity of the device, it will probably take more than twice
> that (since it's a PCI device and the estimates I gave are for USB
> devices).
> 
> If nothing else, it offers some insight as to how valuable the work of
> people like Steven is (he has written a whole bunch of different
> drivers).  It also demonstrates one reason there are so few developers
> willing to do this sort of work.  Getting a developer to donate a
> couple of evening's worth of time is pretty easy.  Getting them to
> make a commitment of every day for the next two to three months is
> quite harder.

It takes a massive amount of time from all of the core developers to keep the 
v4l-dvb tree up to date and to add new functionality.

Adding a new style of board to an existing driver can take a couple of hours 
with testing. It's bread a butter maintenance task.

However, adding a brand new bridge driver to the kernel can take 6 months just 
for the first release, and is then slowly improved over the next 12-24 months.

It's a large task.

- Steve