* Can't load firmware - HVR4000
@ 2009-03-28 22:12 Lars Fredriksson
2009-03-28 22:35 ` Markus Rechberger
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Fredriksson @ 2009-03-28 22:12 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-media
Hi!
I have recently moved my HVR4000 to a new machine, but now I can't load
the firmware :-(
I'm running Gentoo 2008.0, kernel 2.6.29 and I've tried both with the
drivers included in the kernel and with v4l-drivers outside the kernel
but I get the same result :-(
When the machine starts up it loads the correct modules and I get a
/dev/dvb/adapter0, but when I for example tries to do a scan I get an
error message that it can't load the firmware (see the end of this mail)
- what can I have done wrong, is there something with my kernel maybe? I
have the firmware in /lib/firmware and I've tried with two different
firmwares, one of them is the one I used eralier on the other
installation ...
Any hints?
Best regards, Lars Fredriksson
dmesg output;
-----
[ 743.541920] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload
(dvb-fe-cx24116.fw)...
[ 743.541927] i2c-adapter i2c-2: firmware: requesting dvb-fe-cx24116.fw
[ 743.541945] ------------[ cut here ]------------
[ 743.541948] WARNING: at fs/sysfs/dir.c:462 sysfs_add_one+0x2a/0x36()
[ 743.541950] Hardware name: M61SME-S2L
[ 743.541952] sysfs: duplicate filename 'i2c-2' can not be created
[ 743.541954] Modules linked in: cx22702 isl6421 cx24116 cx88_dvb
cx88_vp3054_i2c videobuf_dvb dvb_core wm8775 tuner_simple tuner_types
tda9887 tda8290 tuner cx8800 cx88_alsa cx8802 cx88xx ir_common
v4l2_common videodev v4l1_compat tveeprom videobuf_dma_sg videobuf_core
btcx_risc
[ 743.541972] Pid: 4043, comm: kdvb-ad-0-fe-0 Tainted: G W
2.6.29 #1
[ 743.541974] Call Trace:
[ 743.541980] [<c102580b>] warn_slowpath+0x74/0x8a
[ 743.541985] [<c114cc4d>] ? idr_get_empty_slot+0x155/0x230
[ 743.541989] [<c114cdfe>] ? ida_get_new_above+0xd6/0x153
[ 743.541993] [<c108ef1b>] ? wait_on_inode+0x24/0x2a
[ 743.541996] [<c108efd6>] ? ifind+0x45/0x57
[ 743.542000] [<c10bbbe1>] sysfs_add_one+0x2a/0x36
[ 743.542014] [<c10bc050>] create_dir+0x43/0x68
[ 743.542017] [<c10bc0a2>] sysfs_create_dir+0x2d/0x41
[ 743.542021] [<c114d772>] ? kobject_get+0x12/0x17
[ 743.542024] [<c114d827>] kobject_add_internal+0xb0/0x154
[ 743.542027] [<c114d976>] kobject_add_varg+0x35/0x41
[ 743.542030] [<c114dce8>] kobject_add+0x49/0x4f
[ 743.542034] [<c11d8669>] device_add+0x73/0x40d
[ 743.542037] [<c114d5a2>] ? kobject_init_internal+0x12/0x28
[ 743.542040] [<c114d60a>] ? kobject_init+0x35/0x5a
[ 743.542043] [<c11d8a15>] device_register+0x12/0x15
[ 743.542046] [<c11dddbb>] _request_firmware+0x177/0x346
[ 743.542051] [<c11de003>] request_firmware+0xa/0xc
[ 743.542056] [<f7d86525>] cx24116_cmd_execute+0xa5/0x528 [cx24116]
[ 743.542063] [<c12a8d59>] ? bit_xfer+0x391/0x39c
[ 743.542067] [<f7d870fd>] cx24116_sleep+0x40/0x82 [cx24116]
[ 743.542071] [<f7d8f0b6>] ? isl6421_set_voltage+0x5f/0x6c [isl6421]
[ 743.542084] [<f7d5e3bd>] dvb_frontend_thread+0x44c/0x480 [dvb_core]
[ 743.542089] [<c1035405>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x33
[ 743.542099] [<f7d5df71>] ? dvb_frontend_thread+0x0/0x480 [dvb_core]
[ 743.542103] [<c1035331>] kthread+0x3b/0x62
[ 743.542106] [<c10352f6>] ? kthread+0x0/0x62
[ 743.542110] [<c10036cb>] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
[ 743.542113] ---[ end trace 9ed00f8504e5c157 ]---
[ 743.542118] kobject_add_internal failed for i2c-2 with -EEXIST, don't
try to register things with the same name in the same directory.
[ 743.542122] Pid: 4043, comm: kdvb-ad-0-fe-0 Tainted: G W
2.6.29 #1
[ 743.542124] Call Trace:
[ 743.542126] [<c114d893>] kobject_add_internal+0x11c/0x154
[ 743.542130] [<c114d976>] kobject_add_varg+0x35/0x41
[ 743.542133] [<c114dce8>] kobject_add+0x49/0x4f
[ 743.542135] [<c11d8669>] device_add+0x73/0x40d
[ 743.542138] [<c114d5a2>] ? kobject_init_internal+0x12/0x28
[ 743.542141] [<c114d60a>] ? kobject_init+0x35/0x5a
[ 743.542144] [<c11d8a15>] device_register+0x12/0x15
[ 743.542147] [<c11dddbb>] _request_firmware+0x177/0x346
[ 743.542151] [<c11de003>] request_firmware+0xa/0xc
[ 743.542155] [<f7d86525>] cx24116_cmd_execute+0xa5/0x528 [cx24116]
[ 743.542159] [<c12a8d59>] ? bit_xfer+0x391/0x39c
[ 743.542163] [<f7d870fd>] cx24116_sleep+0x40/0x82 [cx24116]
[ 743.542166] [<f7d8f0b6>] ? isl6421_set_voltage+0x5f/0x6c [isl6421]
[ 743.542175] [<f7d5e3bd>] dvb_frontend_thread+0x44c/0x480 [dvb_core]
[ 743.542179] [<c1035405>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x33
[ 743.542188] [<f7d5df71>] ? dvb_frontend_thread+0x0/0x480 [dvb_core]
[ 743.542192] [<c1035331>] kthread+0x3b/0x62
[ 743.542195] [<c10352f6>] ? kthread+0x0/0x62
[ 743.542198] [<c10036cb>] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
[ 743.542201] i2c-adapter i2c-2: fw_register_device: device_register failed
[ 743.542204] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload(2)...
[ 743.542206] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: No firmware uploaded (timeout
or file not found?)
[ 743.542209] cx24116_cmd_execute(): Unable initialise the firmware
-----
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* Re: Can't load firmware - HVR4000
2009-03-28 22:12 Can't load firmware - HVR4000 Lars Fredriksson
@ 2009-03-28 22:35 ` Markus Rechberger
2009-03-28 23:02 ` Lars Fredriksson
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Markus Rechberger @ 2009-03-28 22:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Fredriksson; +Cc: linux-media
On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Lars Fredriksson <lf@hansson.se> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I have recently moved my HVR4000 to a new machine, but now I can't load the
> firmware :-(
>
> I'm running Gentoo 2008.0, kernel 2.6.29 and I've tried both with the
> drivers included in the kernel and with v4l-drivers outside the kernel but I
> get the same result :-(
>
> When the machine starts up it loads the correct modules and I get a
> /dev/dvb/adapter0, but when I for example tries to do a scan I get an error
> message that it can't load the firmware (see the end of this mail) - what
> can I have done wrong, is there something with my kernel maybe? I have the
> firmware in /lib/firmware and I've tried with two different firmwares, one
> of them is the one I used eralier on the other installation ...
>
> Any hints?
>
disable i2c-dev in the kernel ... or blacklist it from loading.
Markus
> Best regards, Lars Fredriksson
>
> dmesg output;
> -----
> [ 743.541920] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload
> (dvb-fe-cx24116.fw)...
> [ 743.541927] i2c-adapter i2c-2: firmware: requesting dvb-fe-cx24116.fw
> [ 743.541945] ------------[ cut here ]------------
> [ 743.541948] WARNING: at fs/sysfs/dir.c:462 sysfs_add_one+0x2a/0x36()
> [ 743.541950] Hardware name: M61SME-S2L
> [ 743.541952] sysfs: duplicate filename 'i2c-2' can not be created
> [ 743.541954] Modules linked in: cx22702 isl6421 cx24116 cx88_dvb
> cx88_vp3054_i2c videobuf_dvb dvb_core wm8775 tuner_simple tuner_types
> tda9887 tda8290 tuner cx8800 cx88_alsa cx8802 cx88xx ir_common v4l2_common
> videodev v4l1_compat tveeprom videobuf_dma_sg videobuf_core btcx_risc
> [ 743.541972] Pid: 4043, comm: kdvb-ad-0-fe-0 Tainted: G W 2.6.29
> #1
> [ 743.541974] Call Trace:
> [ 743.541980] [<c102580b>] warn_slowpath+0x74/0x8a
> [ 743.541985] [<c114cc4d>] ? idr_get_empty_slot+0x155/0x230
> [ 743.541989] [<c114cdfe>] ? ida_get_new_above+0xd6/0x153
> [ 743.541993] [<c108ef1b>] ? wait_on_inode+0x24/0x2a
> [ 743.541996] [<c108efd6>] ? ifind+0x45/0x57
> [ 743.542000] [<c10bbbe1>] sysfs_add_one+0x2a/0x36
> [ 743.542014] [<c10bc050>] create_dir+0x43/0x68
> [ 743.542017] [<c10bc0a2>] sysfs_create_dir+0x2d/0x41
> [ 743.542021] [<c114d772>] ? kobject_get+0x12/0x17
> [ 743.542024] [<c114d827>] kobject_add_internal+0xb0/0x154
> [ 743.542027] [<c114d976>] kobject_add_varg+0x35/0x41
> [ 743.542030] [<c114dce8>] kobject_add+0x49/0x4f
> [ 743.542034] [<c11d8669>] device_add+0x73/0x40d
> [ 743.542037] [<c114d5a2>] ? kobject_init_internal+0x12/0x28
> [ 743.542040] [<c114d60a>] ? kobject_init+0x35/0x5a
> [ 743.542043] [<c11d8a15>] device_register+0x12/0x15
> [ 743.542046] [<c11dddbb>] _request_firmware+0x177/0x346
> [ 743.542051] [<c11de003>] request_firmware+0xa/0xc
> [ 743.542056] [<f7d86525>] cx24116_cmd_execute+0xa5/0x528 [cx24116]
> [ 743.542063] [<c12a8d59>] ? bit_xfer+0x391/0x39c
> [ 743.542067] [<f7d870fd>] cx24116_sleep+0x40/0x82 [cx24116]
> [ 743.542071] [<f7d8f0b6>] ? isl6421_set_voltage+0x5f/0x6c [isl6421]
> [ 743.542084] [<f7d5e3bd>] dvb_frontend_thread+0x44c/0x480 [dvb_core]
> [ 743.542089] [<c1035405>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x33
> [ 743.542099] [<f7d5df71>] ? dvb_frontend_thread+0x0/0x480 [dvb_core]
> [ 743.542103] [<c1035331>] kthread+0x3b/0x62
> [ 743.542106] [<c10352f6>] ? kthread+0x0/0x62
> [ 743.542110] [<c10036cb>] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
> [ 743.542113] ---[ end trace 9ed00f8504e5c157 ]---
> [ 743.542118] kobject_add_internal failed for i2c-2 with -EEXIST, don't try
> to register things with the same name in the same directory.
> [ 743.542122] Pid: 4043, comm: kdvb-ad-0-fe-0 Tainted: G W 2.6.29
> #1
> [ 743.542124] Call Trace:
> [ 743.542126] [<c114d893>] kobject_add_internal+0x11c/0x154
> [ 743.542130] [<c114d976>] kobject_add_varg+0x35/0x41
> [ 743.542133] [<c114dce8>] kobject_add+0x49/0x4f
> [ 743.542135] [<c11d8669>] device_add+0x73/0x40d
> [ 743.542138] [<c114d5a2>] ? kobject_init_internal+0x12/0x28
> [ 743.542141] [<c114d60a>] ? kobject_init+0x35/0x5a
> [ 743.542144] [<c11d8a15>] device_register+0x12/0x15
> [ 743.542147] [<c11dddbb>] _request_firmware+0x177/0x346
> [ 743.542151] [<c11de003>] request_firmware+0xa/0xc
> [ 743.542155] [<f7d86525>] cx24116_cmd_execute+0xa5/0x528 [cx24116]
> [ 743.542159] [<c12a8d59>] ? bit_xfer+0x391/0x39c
> [ 743.542163] [<f7d870fd>] cx24116_sleep+0x40/0x82 [cx24116]
> [ 743.542166] [<f7d8f0b6>] ? isl6421_set_voltage+0x5f/0x6c [isl6421]
> [ 743.542175] [<f7d5e3bd>] dvb_frontend_thread+0x44c/0x480 [dvb_core]
> [ 743.542179] [<c1035405>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x33
> [ 743.542188] [<f7d5df71>] ? dvb_frontend_thread+0x0/0x480 [dvb_core]
> [ 743.542192] [<c1035331>] kthread+0x3b/0x62
> [ 743.542195] [<c10352f6>] ? kthread+0x0/0x62
> [ 743.542198] [<c10036cb>] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
> [ 743.542201] i2c-adapter i2c-2: fw_register_device: device_register failed
> [ 743.542204] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload(2)...
> [ 743.542206] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: No firmware uploaded (timeout or
> file not found?)
> [ 743.542209] cx24116_cmd_execute(): Unable initialise the firmware
> -----
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* Re: Can't load firmware - HVR4000
2009-03-28 22:35 ` Markus Rechberger
@ 2009-03-28 23:02 ` Lars Fredriksson
2009-03-29 9:18 ` Mika Laitio
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Lars Fredriksson @ 2009-03-28 23:02 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: linux-media
Thanks a lot!
The firmware loads correctly now!
Markus Rechberger skrev:
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2009 at 11:12 PM, Lars Fredriksson <lf@hansson.se> wrote:
>
>> Hi!
>>
>> I have recently moved my HVR4000 to a new machine, but now I can't load the
>> firmware :-(
>>
>> I'm running Gentoo 2008.0, kernel 2.6.29 and I've tried both with the
>> drivers included in the kernel and with v4l-drivers outside the kernel but I
>> get the same result :-(
>>
>> When the machine starts up it loads the correct modules and I get a
>> /dev/dvb/adapter0, but when I for example tries to do a scan I get an error
>> message that it can't load the firmware (see the end of this mail) - what
>> can I have done wrong, is there something with my kernel maybe? I have the
>> firmware in /lib/firmware and I've tried with two different firmwares, one
>> of them is the one I used eralier on the other installation ...
>>
>> Any hints?
>>
>>
>
> disable i2c-dev in the kernel ... or blacklist it from loading.
>
> Markus
>
>
>> Best regards, Lars Fredriksson
>>
>> dmesg output;
>> -----
>> [ 743.541920] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload
>> (dvb-fe-cx24116.fw)...
>> [ 743.541927] i2c-adapter i2c-2: firmware: requesting dvb-fe-cx24116.fw
>> [ 743.541945] ------------[ cut here ]------------
>> [ 743.541948] WARNING: at fs/sysfs/dir.c:462 sysfs_add_one+0x2a/0x36()
>> [ 743.541950] Hardware name: M61SME-S2L
>> [ 743.541952] sysfs: duplicate filename 'i2c-2' can not be created
>> [ 743.541954] Modules linked in: cx22702 isl6421 cx24116 cx88_dvb
>> cx88_vp3054_i2c videobuf_dvb dvb_core wm8775 tuner_simple tuner_types
>> tda9887 tda8290 tuner cx8800 cx88_alsa cx8802 cx88xx ir_common v4l2_common
>> videodev v4l1_compat tveeprom videobuf_dma_sg videobuf_core btcx_risc
>> [ 743.541972] Pid: 4043, comm: kdvb-ad-0-fe-0 Tainted: G W 2.6.29
>> #1
>> [ 743.541974] Call Trace:
>> [ 743.541980] [<c102580b>] warn_slowpath+0x74/0x8a
>> [ 743.541985] [<c114cc4d>] ? idr_get_empty_slot+0x155/0x230
>> [ 743.541989] [<c114cdfe>] ? ida_get_new_above+0xd6/0x153
>> [ 743.541993] [<c108ef1b>] ? wait_on_inode+0x24/0x2a
>> [ 743.541996] [<c108efd6>] ? ifind+0x45/0x57
>> [ 743.542000] [<c10bbbe1>] sysfs_add_one+0x2a/0x36
>> [ 743.542014] [<c10bc050>] create_dir+0x43/0x68
>> [ 743.542017] [<c10bc0a2>] sysfs_create_dir+0x2d/0x41
>> [ 743.542021] [<c114d772>] ? kobject_get+0x12/0x17
>> [ 743.542024] [<c114d827>] kobject_add_internal+0xb0/0x154
>> [ 743.542027] [<c114d976>] kobject_add_varg+0x35/0x41
>> [ 743.542030] [<c114dce8>] kobject_add+0x49/0x4f
>> [ 743.542034] [<c11d8669>] device_add+0x73/0x40d
>> [ 743.542037] [<c114d5a2>] ? kobject_init_internal+0x12/0x28
>> [ 743.542040] [<c114d60a>] ? kobject_init+0x35/0x5a
>> [ 743.542043] [<c11d8a15>] device_register+0x12/0x15
>> [ 743.542046] [<c11dddbb>] _request_firmware+0x177/0x346
>> [ 743.542051] [<c11de003>] request_firmware+0xa/0xc
>> [ 743.542056] [<f7d86525>] cx24116_cmd_execute+0xa5/0x528 [cx24116]
>> [ 743.542063] [<c12a8d59>] ? bit_xfer+0x391/0x39c
>> [ 743.542067] [<f7d870fd>] cx24116_sleep+0x40/0x82 [cx24116]
>> [ 743.542071] [<f7d8f0b6>] ? isl6421_set_voltage+0x5f/0x6c [isl6421]
>> [ 743.542084] [<f7d5e3bd>] dvb_frontend_thread+0x44c/0x480 [dvb_core]
>> [ 743.542089] [<c1035405>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x33
>> [ 743.542099] [<f7d5df71>] ? dvb_frontend_thread+0x0/0x480 [dvb_core]
>> [ 743.542103] [<c1035331>] kthread+0x3b/0x62
>> [ 743.542106] [<c10352f6>] ? kthread+0x0/0x62
>> [ 743.542110] [<c10036cb>] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
>> [ 743.542113] ---[ end trace 9ed00f8504e5c157 ]---
>> [ 743.542118] kobject_add_internal failed for i2c-2 with -EEXIST, don't try
>> to register things with the same name in the same directory.
>> [ 743.542122] Pid: 4043, comm: kdvb-ad-0-fe-0 Tainted: G W 2.6.29
>> #1
>> [ 743.542124] Call Trace:
>> [ 743.542126] [<c114d893>] kobject_add_internal+0x11c/0x154
>> [ 743.542130] [<c114d976>] kobject_add_varg+0x35/0x41
>> [ 743.542133] [<c114dce8>] kobject_add+0x49/0x4f
>> [ 743.542135] [<c11d8669>] device_add+0x73/0x40d
>> [ 743.542138] [<c114d5a2>] ? kobject_init_internal+0x12/0x28
>> [ 743.542141] [<c114d60a>] ? kobject_init+0x35/0x5a
>> [ 743.542144] [<c11d8a15>] device_register+0x12/0x15
>> [ 743.542147] [<c11dddbb>] _request_firmware+0x177/0x346
>> [ 743.542151] [<c11de003>] request_firmware+0xa/0xc
>> [ 743.542155] [<f7d86525>] cx24116_cmd_execute+0xa5/0x528 [cx24116]
>> [ 743.542159] [<c12a8d59>] ? bit_xfer+0x391/0x39c
>> [ 743.542163] [<f7d870fd>] cx24116_sleep+0x40/0x82 [cx24116]
>> [ 743.542166] [<f7d8f0b6>] ? isl6421_set_voltage+0x5f/0x6c [isl6421]
>> [ 743.542175] [<f7d5e3bd>] dvb_frontend_thread+0x44c/0x480 [dvb_core]
>> [ 743.542179] [<c1035405>] ? autoremove_wake_function+0x0/0x33
>> [ 743.542188] [<f7d5df71>] ? dvb_frontend_thread+0x0/0x480 [dvb_core]
>> [ 743.542192] [<c1035331>] kthread+0x3b/0x62
>> [ 743.542195] [<c10352f6>] ? kthread+0x0/0x62
>> [ 743.542198] [<c10036cb>] kernel_thread_helper+0x7/0x10
>> [ 743.542201] i2c-adapter i2c-2: fw_register_device: device_register failed
>> [ 743.542204] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: Waiting for firmware upload(2)...
>> [ 743.542206] cx24116_firmware_ondemand: No firmware uploaded (timeout or
>> file not found?)
>> [ 743.542209] cx24116_cmd_execute(): Unable initialise the firmware
>> -----
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* Re: Can't load firmware - HVR4000
2009-03-28 23:02 ` Lars Fredriksson
@ 2009-03-29 9:18 ` Mika Laitio
2009-03-29 13:35 ` Markus Rechberger
0 siblings, 1 reply; 5+ messages in thread
From: Mika Laitio @ 2009-03-29 9:18 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Lars Fredriksson; +Cc: linux-media
> The firmware loads correctly now!
Which devices requires i2c-dev module? I mean if I want to buy new dvb
devices in addition of hvr-4000 and hvr-1300, should I then avoid some
devices...
Mika
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* Re: Can't load firmware - HVR4000
2009-03-29 9:18 ` Mika Laitio
@ 2009-03-29 13:35 ` Markus Rechberger
0 siblings, 0 replies; 5+ messages in thread
From: Markus Rechberger @ 2009-03-29 13:35 UTC (permalink / raw)
To: Mika Laitio; +Cc: Lars Fredriksson, linux-media
On Sun, Mar 29, 2009 at 11:18 AM, Mika Laitio <lamikr@pilppa.org> wrote:
>> The firmware loads correctly now!
>
> Which devices requires i2c-dev module? I mean if I want to buy new dvb
> devices in addition of hvr-4000 and hvr-1300, should I then avoid some
> devices...
>
no v4l/dvb devices require it, so no reason to worry about it.
Markus
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