From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-path: Received: from mail-bw0-f174.google.com ([209.85.218.174]:52406 "EHLO mail-bw0-f174.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1752399AbZEWUNM (ORCPT ); Sat, 23 May 2009 16:13:12 -0400 Received: by bwz22 with SMTP id 22so2283425bwz.37 for ; Sat, 23 May 2009 13:13:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4A1858B6.3090202@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 May 2009 22:12:38 +0200 From: David Lister MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Manu Abraham CC: Gernot Pansy , linux-media@vger.kernel.org Subject: Re: Question about driver for Mantis References: <200905230810.39344.jarhuba2@poczta.onet.pl> <1a297b360905222341t4e66e2c6x95d339838db43139@mail.gmail.com> <200905231436.58072.gernot@pansy.at> <4A180DD8.4030009@gmail.com> <1a297b360905230941m69085ab5jf3b75f3c42ded48b@mail.gmail.com> <4A18358F.6040404@gmail.com> <1a297b360905231137i157e5dbt2c023e656c690e99@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1a297b360905231137i157e5dbt2c023e656c690e99@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: linux-media-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: Manu Abraham wrote: > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Lister wrote: > >> Manu Abraham wrote: >> >>> 2009/5/23 David Lister : >>> >>> >>>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while >>>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A >>>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's >>>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather >>>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation. >>>> Some pictures from google: >>>> >>>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg >>>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg >>>> >>>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works - >>>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye. >>>> >>>> >>> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same >>> STB0899 module, FYI. :-) >>> >>> >> Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's >> not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version >> missing these features: >> 1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector >> 2) Video input port for analogue capture >> >> I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be >> important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose >> CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I >> don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog, >> much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for >> purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :) >> > No misconceptions: > Oh, but there are. We were both talking about the sat version of KNC1+, not KNC1! You said and I quote: "The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+", which is not true. That's why I originally said that it's *similar* to Mystique, which *is* true. It might be the same as plain KNC1 or dozens of other rebranded versions, but that wasn't the point. The misconception is that "Mystique is KNC1+ clone" -- it is not. Perhaps I could have mentioned basic TV Station DVB-S too, but I didn't expect I'll have to defend every word I say. Now that I think about it, I'm glad I didn't - your inability to comprehend the simplest of meanings shines like the sun. Your follow-up comment was completely useless, arbitrary trolling. If you could face the life like a man instead of a cry baby, you wouldn't have the need to patronise me (unsuccessfully:)) in an unrelated thread just because of our earlier argument. You should be ashamed of yourself. You're a DVB driver developer and you have a hard time arguing with somebody who has seen DVB-S for the first time in his life a month ago! > > So support for it just appeared like magic ? > Were you arguing with one of your other personalities in your head that I missed something? I'm afraid you are a bit confused today, or you misinterpret the meaning of my words on purpose, or are just pissed off at me. :) Whatever. Because it might be your weak English, I'm not going to call you an idiot like you called me a few times today, even though this time it *would* be appropriate. It's the same thing as in the other thread all over again. It's impossible to have a normal intelligent conversation with you. I'm not going to support your trolling any more. As usual, I wish you good luck in your efforts. Looks like you need it. -- Dave