Question about driver for Mantis

Question about driver for Mantis

[Jarosław Huba]

Hi.
Is driver for Mantis chipset are currently developed somewhere?
I'm owner of Azurewave AD SP400 CI (VP-1041) and I'm waiting for support for 
this card for quite long time. Even partly working driver in mainline kernel 
would be great (without remote, CI, S2 support, with some tuning bugs).
This question is mainly for Manu Abraham who developed this driver some time 
ago.

Cheers,
Jarek.

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Manu Abraham]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jarosław Huba <jarhuba2@poczta.onet.pl> wrote:
> Hi.
> Is driver for Mantis chipset are currently developed somewhere?
> I'm owner of Azurewave AD SP400 CI (VP-1041) and I'm waiting for support for
> this card for quite long time. Even partly working driver in mainline kernel
> would be great (without remote, CI, S2 support, with some tuning bugs).
> This question is mainly for Manu Abraham who developed this driver some time
> ago.

The latest development snapshot for the mantis based devices can be found
here: http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l

Currently CI is unsupported, though very preliminary code support for
it exists in it.
S2 works, pretty much. Or do you have other results ?

Regards,
Manu

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Jarosław Huba]

> The latest development snapshot for the mantis based devices can be found
> here: http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l
>
> Currently CI is unsupported, though very preliminary code support for
> it exists in it.
> S2 works, pretty much. Or do you have other results ?
>
> Regards,
> Manu

I will test it soon. Do I need to compile my own pathed kernel? Or Is there 
some info on wiki about how to do that in easier way?
I'm using Kubuntu Karmic with kernel 2.6.30.

Jarek

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Manu Abraham]

2009/5/23 Jarosław Huba <jarhuba2@poczta.onet.pl>:
>> The latest development snapshot for the mantis based devices can be found
>> here: http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l
>>
>> Currently CI is unsupported, though very preliminary code support for
>> it exists in it.
>> S2 works, pretty much. Or do you have other results ?
>>
>> Regards,
>> Manu
>
> I will test it soon. Do I need to compile my own pathed kernel? Or Is there
> some info on wiki about how to do that in easier way?
> I'm using Kubuntu Karmic with kernel 2.6.30.


Just clone the tree on to your machine
hg clone http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l

Clean stal remnants if any.
make distclean

Build the tree
make

Load the modules

one by one,
or have a script of your own to load it,
or you can do a make install


In case you are sending me debug output, please do load the
mantis.ko and stb0899.ko modules with the verbose=5
module parameter, so that the debug messages are verbosed out.

Otherwise you can forget about the module parameters.

Regards,
Manu

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Jarosław Huba]

> Just clone the tree on to your machine
> hg clone http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l
>
> Clean stal remnants if any.
> make distclean
>
> Build the tree
> make
>

I got this error:
jarek@jarek-desktop:~/mantis-v4l$ make                                                                               
make -C /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l                                                                                   
make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'                                                            
No version yet, using 2.6.30-6-generic                                                                               
make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'                                                           
make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'                                                            
scripts/make_makefile.pl                                                                                             
Updating/Creating .config                                                                                            
Preparing to compile for kernel version 2.6.30                                                                       

***WARNING:*** You do not have the full kernel sources installed.
This does not prevent you from building the v4l-dvb tree if you have the
kernel headers, but the full kernel source may be required in order to use
make menuconfig / xconfig / qconfig.                                      

If you are experiencing problems building the v4l-dvb tree, please try
building against a vanilla kernel before reporting a bug.             

Vanilla kernels are available at http://kernel.org.
On most distros, this will compile a newly downloaded kernel:

cp /boot/config-`uname -r` <your kernel dir>/.config
cd <your kernel dir>                                
make all modules_install install

Please see your distro's web site for instructions to build a new kernel.

Created default (all yes) .config file
./scripts/make_myconfig.pl
make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
perl scripts/make_config_compat.pl /lib/modules/2.6.30-6-generic/build 
./.myconfig ./config-compat.h
creating symbolic links...
ln -sf . oss
Kernel build directory is /lib/modules/2.6.30-6-generic/build
make -C /lib/modules/2.6.30-6-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l  
modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-6-generic'
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tuner-xc2028.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tuner-simple.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tuner-types.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/mt20xx.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tda8290.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tea5767.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tea5761.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tda9887.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tda827x.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-core.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-i2c.o
  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-cards.o
In file included from /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/dmxdev.h:33,
                 from /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828.h:29,
                 from /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-cards.c:22:
/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/compat.h:396: error: redefinition of 
'usb_endpoint_type'
include/linux/usb/ch9.h:376: note: previous definition of 'usb_endpoint_type' 
was here
make[3]: *** [/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-cards.o] Error 1
make[2]: *** [_module_/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-6-generic'
make[1]: *** [default] Błąd 2
make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
make: *** [all] Błąd 2


My system can be broken someway, I will install old 2.6.28 kernel for testing.

Jarek

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Jarosław Huba]

I will also look for vanilla kernel.

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Manu Abraham]

2009/5/23 Jarosław Huba <jarhuba2@poczta.onet.pl>
>
> > Just clone the tree on to your machine
> > hg clone http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l
> >
> > Clean stal remnants if any.
> > make distclean
> >
> > Build the tree
> > make
> >
>
> I got this error:
> jarek@jarek-desktop:~/mantis-v4l$ make
> make -C /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l
> make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
> No version yet, using 2.6.30-6-generic
> make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
> make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
> scripts/make_makefile.pl
> Updating/Creating .config
> Preparing to compile for kernel version 2.6.30
>
> ***WARNING:*** You do not have the full kernel sources installed.
> This does not prevent you from building the v4l-dvb tree if you have the
> kernel headers, but the full kernel source may be required in order to use
> make menuconfig / xconfig / qconfig.
>
> If you are experiencing problems building the v4l-dvb tree, please try
> building against a vanilla kernel before reporting a bug.
>
> Vanilla kernels are available at http://kernel.org.
> On most distros, this will compile a newly downloaded kernel:
>
> cp /boot/config-`uname -r` <your kernel dir>/.config
> cd <your kernel dir>
> make all modules_install install
>
> Please see your distro's web site for instructions to build a new kernel.
>
> Created default (all yes) .config file
> ./scripts/make_myconfig.pl
> make[1]: Opuszczenie katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
> make[1]: Wejście do katalogu `/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l'
> perl scripts/make_config_compat.pl /lib/modules/2.6.30-6-generic/build
> ./.myconfig ./config-compat.h
> creating symbolic links...
> ln -sf . oss
> Kernel build directory is /lib/modules/2.6.30-6-generic/build
> make -C /lib/modules/2.6.30-6-generic/build SUBDIRS=/home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l
> modules
> make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.30-6-generic'
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tuner-xc2028.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tuner-simple.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tuner-types.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/mt20xx.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tda8290.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tea5767.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tea5761.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tda9887.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/tda827x.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-core.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-i2c.o
>  CC [M]  /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-cards.o
> In file included from /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/dmxdev.h:33,
>                 from /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828.h:29,
>                 from /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/au0828-cards.c:22:
> /home/jarek/mantis-v4l/v4l/compat.h:396: error: redefinition of
> 'usb_endpoint_type'
> include/linux/usb/ch9.h:376: note: previous definition of 'usb_endpoint_type'
> was here

Quick fix, do a make menuconfig: navigate through the menus, disable
au0828 support and try again.

Regards,
Manu

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Jarosław Huba]

> Quick fix, do a make menuconfig: navigate through the menus, disable
> au0828 support and try again.
>
> Regards,
> Manu
> --

I have to disable almost all other drivers to compile Mantis.
During short test I didn't find any critical bugs. I tested it under Kaffeine 
development version, so no DVB-S2 testing, I can't use DiSqC, but it can be 
Kaffeine bug or weak signal from second satelite.
No critical hangs at all, no kernel panic.
In my opinion this driver can be included into main DVB tree.
It would be great to see it in linux 2.6.31 (I tested Mantis under 2.6.30 
rc7).

Jarek

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Gernot Pansy]

hy,

On Saturday 23 May 2009 08:41:48 Manu Abraham wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jarosław Huba <jarhuba2@poczta.onet.pl> 
wrote:
> > Hi.
> > Is driver for Mantis chipset are currently developed somewhere?
> > I'm owner of Azurewave AD SP400 CI (VP-1041) and I'm waiting for support
> > for this card for quite long time. Even partly working driver in mainline
> > kernel would be great (without remote, CI, S2 support, with some tuning
> > bugs). This question is mainly for Manu Abraham who developed this driver
> > some time ago.
>
> The latest development snapshot for the mantis based devices can be found
> here: http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l
>
> Currently CI is unsupported, though very preliminary code support for
> it exists in it.
> S2 works, pretty much. Or do you have other results ?

will CI be supported and are you willing to finish development and merge it to 
mainline anytime?

i think i was one of the first SP400 owner but i had to sold my card for a Nova 
HD2 because the driver was not reliable (some i2c errors, slow tunning, 
sometimes tunning failed). And now i need a dvb-s2 card with ci working. so 
i'm searching again for a new card. their seems to be only the tt-3200 out, 
which seems to work - no newer card. 

regards,
gernot

>
> Regards,
> Manu
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Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[David Lister]

Gernot Pansy wrote:
> will CI be supported and are you willing to finish development and merge it to 
> mainline anytime?
>
> i think i was one of the first SP400 owner but i had to sold my card for a Nova 
> HD2 because the driver was not reliable (some i2c errors, slow tunning, 
> sometimes tunning failed). And now i need a dvb-s2 card with ci working. so 
> i'm searching again for a new card. their seems to be only the tt-3200 out, 
> which seems to work - no newer card. 
>   

I believe a friend of mine chose KNC1+ clone, they are working in Linux
and also have a working CI interface. That's how he uses it anyway. I'd
recommend especially his Mystique SaTiX-S2. They have a high quality
finish and the CI slot is nicely prepared for 3.5" drive integration:

http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg

-- 
Dave

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Manu Abraham]

2009/5/23 Gernot Pansy <gernot@pansy.at>:
> hy,
>
> On Saturday 23 May 2009 08:41:48 Manu Abraham wrote:
>> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 10:10 AM, Jarosław Huba <jarhuba2@poczta.onet.pl>
> wrote:
>> > Hi.
>> > Is driver for Mantis chipset are currently developed somewhere?
>> > I'm owner of Azurewave AD SP400 CI (VP-1041) and I'm waiting for support
>> > for this card for quite long time. Even partly working driver in mainline
>> > kernel would be great (without remote, CI, S2 support, with some tuning
>> > bugs). This question is mainly for Manu Abraham who developed this driver
>> > some time ago.
>>
>> The latest development snapshot for the mantis based devices can be found
>> here: http://jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l
>>
>> Currently CI is unsupported, though very preliminary code support for
>> it exists in it.
>> S2 works, pretty much. Or do you have other results ?
>
> will CI be supported and are you willing to finish development and merge it to
> mainline anytime?


The CI code is out there in it itself commented out, but is a bit
unstable. I haven't
spent too much time on it these last 2 months, due to lack of time


> i think i was one of the first SP400 owner but i had to sold my card for a Nova
> HD2 because the driver was not reliable (some i2c errors, slow tunning,
> sometimes tunning failed). And now i need a dvb-s2 card with ci working. so
> i'm searching again for a new card. their seems to be only the tt-3200 out,
> which seems to work - no newer card.


The issue with the I2C errors have been fixed in the
jusst.de/hg/mantis-v4l tree.
It had been a bit hard to fix, but i am almost certain, that issue is
gone for good.

There were quite a lot of fixes to the stb0899 module, so maybe some of the
issues what you looked at might've been fixed.

Regards,
Manu

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[David Lister]

Gernot Pansy wrote:
> will CI be supported and are you willing to finish development and merge it to 
> mainline anytime?
>
> i think i was one of the first SP400 owner but i had to sold my card for a Nova 
> HD2 because the driver was not reliable (some i2c errors, slow tunning, 
> sometimes tunning failed). And now i need a dvb-s2 card with ci working. so 
> i'm searching again for a new card. their seems to be only the tt-3200 out, 
> which seems to work - no newer card. 
>   
Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
Some pictures from google:

http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg

Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.

-- 
Dave

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Manu Abraham]

2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@gmail.com>:
> Gernot Pansy wrote:
>> will CI be supported and are you willing to finish development and merge it to
>> mainline anytime?
>>
>> i think i was one of the first SP400 owner but i had to sold my card for a Nova
>> HD2 because the driver was not reliable (some i2c errors, slow tunning,
>> sometimes tunning failed). And now i need a dvb-s2 card with ci working. so
>> i'm searching again for a new card. their seems to be only the tt-3200 out,
>> which seems to work - no newer card.
>>
> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
> Some pictures from google:
>
> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg
>
> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.

The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same
STB0899 module, FYI. :-)

Manu

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[David Lister]

Manu Abraham wrote:
> 2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@gmail.com>:
>   
>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
>> Some pictures from google:
>>
>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg
>>
>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.
>>     
>
> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same
> STB0899 module, FYI. :-)
>   
Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's
not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version
missing these features:
1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector
2) Video input port for analogue capture

I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be
important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose
CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I
don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog,
much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for
purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :)

-- 
Dave

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Manu Abraham]

On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Lister <foceni@gmail.com> wrote:
> Manu Abraham wrote:
>> 2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
>>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
>>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
>>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
>>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
>>> Some pictures from google:
>>>
>>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
>>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg
>>>
>>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
>>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.
>>>
>>
>> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same
>> STB0899 module, FYI. :-)
>>
> Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's
> not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version
> missing these features:
> 1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector
> 2) Video input port for analogue capture
>
> I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be
> important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose
> CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I
> don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog,
> much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for
> purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :)


No misconceptions:


So support for it just appeared like magic ?

There are 2 card variants:

1. KNC1
a) KNC1 DVB-S2+ (With analog support)
b) KNC1 DVB-S2 (without analog support, the board has the place to
solder the SAA7113, just that no chip and connectors)

2. Satelco

Satelco DVB-S2 KNC1 (OEM clone of b)

3. Mystique

CI uses polling model in all the above 3.

Mystique (clone of KNC1 either A or B, even subsystem ID's itself
aren't different, AFAICS)



Now, there are other STB0899 based cards:

4. TT S2 3200

Very similar to the ST reference design. Uses a SAA7146 for the PCI bridge
CI uses an interrupt driven model.

5. VP-1041

Very similar to the ST reference design. Uses a Mantis PCI bridge.

CI is using a much different model. CI slot supports raw PCMCIA devices as well.
currently CI support is very preliminary and not much functional.

HTH

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[David Lister]

Manu Abraham wrote:
> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Lister <foceni@gmail.com> wrote:
>   
>> Manu Abraham wrote:
>>     
>>> 2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
>>>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
>>>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
>>>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
>>>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
>>>> Some pictures from google:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
>>>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg
>>>>
>>>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
>>>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same
>>> STB0899 module, FYI. :-)
>>>
>>>       
>> Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's
>> not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version
>> missing these features:
>> 1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector
>> 2) Video input port for analogue capture
>>
>> I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be
>> important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose
>> CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I
>> don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog,
>> much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for
>> purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :)
>>     
> No misconceptions:
>   
Oh, but there are. We were both talking about the sat version of KNC1+,
not KNC1! You said and I quote: "The Mystique is just a rebranded
KNC1+", which is not true. That's why I originally said that it's
*similar* to Mystique, which *is* true. It might be the same as plain
KNC1 or dozens of other rebranded versions, but that wasn't the point.
The misconception is that "Mystique is KNC1+ clone" -- it is not.
Perhaps I could have mentioned basic TV Station DVB-S too, but I didn't
expect I'll have to defend every word I say. Now that I think about it,
I'm glad I didn't - your inability to comprehend the simplest of
meanings shines like the sun.

Your follow-up comment was completely useless, arbitrary trolling. If
you could face the life like a man instead of a cry baby, you wouldn't
have the need to patronise me (unsuccessfully:)) in an unrelated thread
just because of our earlier argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
You're a DVB driver developer and you have a hard time arguing with
somebody who has seen DVB-S for the first time in his life a month ago!

>
> So support for it just appeared like magic ?
>   
Were you arguing with one of your other personalities in your head that
I missed something? I'm afraid you are a bit confused today, or you
misinterpret the meaning of my words on purpose, or are just pissed off
at me. :) Whatever. Because it might be your weak English, I'm not going
to call you an idiot like you called me a few times today, even though
this time it *would* be appropriate. It's the same thing as in the other
thread all over again. It's impossible to have a normal intelligent
conversation with you. I'm not going to support your trolling any more.

As usual, I wish you good luck in your efforts. Looks like you need it.

-- 
Dave

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[hermann pitton]

Am Samstag, den 23.05.2009, 22:12 +0200 schrieb David Lister:
> Manu Abraham wrote:
> > On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Lister <foceni@gmail.com> wrote:
> >   
> >> Manu Abraham wrote:
> >>     
> >>> 2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@gmail.com>:
> >>>
> >>>       
> >>>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
> >>>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
> >>>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
> >>>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
> >>>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
> >>>> Some pictures from google:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
> >>>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg
> >>>>
> >>>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
> >>>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.
> >>>>
> >>>>         
> >>> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same
> >>> STB0899 module, FYI. :-)
> >>>
> >>>       
> >> Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's
> >> not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version
> >> missing these features:
> >> 1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector
> >> 2) Video input port for analogue capture
> >>
> >> I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be
> >> important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose
> >> CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I
> >> don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog,
> >> much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for
> >> purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :)
> >>     
> > No misconceptions:
> >   
> Oh, but there are. We were both talking about the sat version of KNC1+,
> not KNC1! You said and I quote: "The Mystique is just a rebranded
> KNC1+", which is not true. That's why I originally said that it's
> *similar* to Mystique, which *is* true. It might be the same as plain
> KNC1 or dozens of other rebranded versions, but that wasn't the point.
> The misconception is that "Mystique is KNC1+ clone" -- it is not.
> Perhaps I could have mentioned basic TV Station DVB-S too, but I didn't
> expect I'll have to defend every word I say. Now that I think about it,
> I'm glad I didn't - your inability to comprehend the simplest of
> meanings shines like the sun.
> 
> Your follow-up comment was completely useless, arbitrary trolling. If
> you could face the life like a man instead of a cry baby, you wouldn't
> have the need to patronise me (unsuccessfully:)) in an unrelated thread
> just because of our earlier argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
> You're a DVB driver developer and you have a hard time arguing with
> somebody who has seen DVB-S for the first time in his life a month ago!
> 
> >
> > So support for it just appeared like magic ?
> >   
> Were you arguing with one of your other personalities in your head that
> I missed something? I'm afraid you are a bit confused today, or you
> misinterpret the meaning of my words on purpose, or are just pissed off
> at me. :) Whatever. Because it might be your weak English, I'm not going
> to call you an idiot like you called me a few times today, even though
> this time it *would* be appropriate. It's the same thing as in the other
> thread all over again. It's impossible to have a normal intelligent
> conversation with you. I'm not going to support your trolling any more.
> 
> As usual, I wish you good luck in your efforts. Looks like you need it.

David,

as said previously, you can't mark whole companies as bad and especially
about TechnoTrend you should know much more.

This starts with reading the DVB headers to get at least an idea of it.

In short, Manu is right and you are wrong.

Or take over better maintenance of v4l-dvb 24/7 :)

Cheers,
Hermann
 

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[David Lister]

hermann pitton wrote:
> Am Samstag, den 23.05.2009, 22:12 +0200 schrieb David Lister:
>   
>> Manu Abraham wrote:
>>     
>>> On Sat, May 23, 2009 at 9:42 PM, David Lister <foceni@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Manu Abraham wrote:
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>>> 2009/5/23 David Lister <foceni@gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>>>> Not sure if you didn't get this email already, I had a slip-up while
>>>>>> sending it. :) Anyway, there's also another supported card with a CI. A
>>>>>> friend of mine has it, so I guess it works quite well with Linux. It's
>>>>>> Mystique SaTiX-S2 (AFAIK, similar to KNC1+). Mystiques have rather
>>>>>> quality finish and the CI module is ready for 3.5" drive installation.
>>>>>> Some pictures from google:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.cesarex.com/images/Mystique-CI-1.jpg
>>>>>> http://www.sat-servis.cz/data/eshop/fotky/produkty/velke/619.jpg
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Others might be able to tell you more details, I just know it works -
>>>>>> friend has a Cryptoworks CAM in it. Take a look around, bye.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>         
>>>>>>             
>>>>> The Mystique is just a rebranded KNC1+ which just uses the same
>>>>> STB0899 module, FYI. :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>       
>>>>>           
>>>> Not exactly. People usually say it is a rebrand/clone of KNC1+, but it's
>>>> not. :) There are couple of differences -- Mystique is a lighter version
>>>> missing these features:
>>>> 1) Signal passthrough via loop-out connector
>>>> 2) Video input port for analogue capture
>>>>
>>>> I'm glad you reminded me of this misconception, the differences might be
>>>> important for somebody. I was considering Mystique for myself, but chose
>>>> CX24116 over STB0899, because this time, I wanted official support. I
>>>> don't need analogue capture and CI anyway (I use softcam and for analog,
>>>> much better Hauppauge PVR-500). I suggest Mystique instead of KNC1+ for
>>>> purely practical reasons - it's more available, cheaper and nicer. :)
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> No misconceptions:
>>>   
>>>       
>> Oh, but there are. We were both talking about the sat version of KNC1+,
>> not KNC1! You said and I quote: "The Mystique is just a rebranded
>> KNC1+", which is not true. That's why I originally said that it's
>> *similar* to Mystique, which *is* true. It might be the same as plain
>> KNC1 or dozens of other rebranded versions, but that wasn't the point.
>> The misconception is that "Mystique is KNC1+ clone" -- it is not.
>> Perhaps I could have mentioned basic TV Station DVB-S too, but I didn't
>> expect I'll have to defend every word I say. Now that I think about it,
>> I'm glad I didn't - your inability to comprehend the simplest of
>> meanings shines like the sun.
>>
>> Your follow-up comment was completely useless, arbitrary trolling. If
>> you could face the life like a man instead of a cry baby, you wouldn't
>> have the need to patronise me (unsuccessfully:)) in an unrelated thread
>> just because of our earlier argument. You should be ashamed of yourself.
>> You're a DVB driver developer and you have a hard time arguing with
>> somebody who has seen DVB-S for the first time in his life a month ago!
>>
>>     
>>> So support for it just appeared like magic ?
>>>   
>>>       
>> Were you arguing with one of your other personalities in your head that
>> I missed something? I'm afraid you are a bit confused today, or you
>> misinterpret the meaning of my words on purpose, or are just pissed off
>> at me. :) Whatever. Because it might be your weak English, I'm not going
>> to call you an idiot like you called me a few times today, even though
>> this time it *would* be appropriate. It's the same thing as in the other
>> thread all over again. It's impossible to have a normal intelligent
>> conversation with you. I'm not going to support your trolling any more.
>>
>> As usual, I wish you good luck in your efforts. Looks like you need it.
>>     
>
> David,
>
> as said previously, you can't mark whole companies as bad and especially
> about TechnoTrend you should know much more.
>   
Hello,

I presume this is about the other thread, right? I didn't mark the whole
TT as a bad company, at least I didn't intend to do so. We were talking
about a single product, or to be more precise, maturity of its Linux
support. If I didn't like TT as a whole, I wouldn't have written the
last email (in that thread)... :) The company info was just a summation
of their press releases, which no doubt is relevant for this list.
AFAIK, it hasn't been mentioned yet. We'll see how the situation
develops, I'm just as curious as others. It could even be good news for us.

> This starts with reading the DVB headers to get at least an idea of it.
>
> In short, Manu is right and you are wrong.
>
> Or take over better maintenance of v4l-dvb 24/7 :)
>   

This is actually quite simple - the problem is that Manu here drags
irrelevant stuff into arguments just so he can be "be right" (about
these *irrelevant* facts of his choosing), every time he is proven wrong
on the issue at hand. This way all discussions would be endless,
snowballing new and new aspects without any relation to the original
issue. Let's sum it up:

A) I recommended Mystique: it's supported and has the features OP
wanted. I said it was *similar* to the popular & well known KNC1+ (*it
is* similar: it's a lighter version, same as KNC1)
B) Manu joined in, blabbering that Mystique is not similar, but
identical to _KNC1+_ (just, you know, "to correct" me). That is *not
true*, however. It's a KNC1 clone, not KNC1+.
A) I've seen this mistake several times, so I explained the differences
of the lighter Mystique (and - in effect - of the plain KNC1) for OP's sake.
B) When he saw his mistake ("The Mystique is just a rebranded _KNC1+_"),
he dragged in irrelevant facts: the driver and descriptions of all
variants of this card -- just so he could say something he's "right"
about. By doing that, he implies I was disagreeing with it, but how
could I - he just dragged it in. You see how it works? This is the most
effective troll technique, because it generates infinite arguments
drifting farther and farther away from the real issue. People can't
usually restrain themselves and they carry on spamming.

It is possible his erroneous statement ("The Mystique is just a
rebranded KNC1+") was just a typo and he meant plain KNC1, but he should
have said so and corrected himself. Instead, he started a flame to cover
it by making *me* the one who made a mistake. I know about his work,
indeed I always wish him luck, but I will have none of this. Being a
developer doesn't give him the right to insult people to hide his own
mistakes. Most of us here are developers and nobody gets a special
treatment in discussions.

Let's not fuel this nonsense any more... In short, Manu was wrong and I
was right. ;o)

See you around, mate

-- 
Dave

Re: Question about driver for Mantis

[Lou Otway]

Gernot Pansy wrote:

> i think i was one of the first SP400 owner but i had to sold my card for a Nova 
> HD2 because the driver was not reliable (some i2c errors, slow tunning, 
> sometimes tunning failed). And now i need a dvb-s2 card with ci working. so 
> i'm searching again for a new card. their seems to be only the tt-3200 out, 
> which seems to work - no newer card. 

You could try the FloppyDTV S2.