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From: Robert Vincent Krakora <rob.krakora@messagenetsystems.com>
To: Devin Heitmueller <dheitmueller@kernellabs.com>
Cc: Andy Walls <awalls@radix.net>,
	video4linux-list@redhat.com, linux-media@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Bah! How do I change channels?
Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 15:56:00 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4A4527D0.5040703@messagenetsystems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <829197380906261229g6e9f38q4be149597930ef0@mail.gmail.com>

Devin Heitmueller wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 3:02 PM, Andy Walls<awalls@radix.net> wrote:
>   
>> All I'm saying is that it is obviously the expected behavior, it the
>> specified behavior, and all the userland apps and scripts are written
>> with that behavior in mind.
>>
>> The applications' expectation of that behavior is, of course, why we are
>> having this discussion.
>>
>> Assuming arguendo, maintaing state in the face of power management is a
>> hard requirement on the driver; I'll still contend it's harder to change
>> the existing base of applications and user scripts.  Until the spec and
>> all the existing apps change, not adhering to the spec leads to user
>> confusion.
>>     
>
> I guess that means that every product that has a tuner which
> implements the sleep callback is broken.  And yet this is the first
> case I've heard a user complain, which makes me wonder how big a
> population is out there that is using scripts to control the tuner.  I
> suspect most people are just using applications like MythTV, xawtv or
> tvtime, which won't have these issues.
>
> I don't intend to come across as argumentative, but if we haven't
> heard a massive outcry about this by now, maybe nobody actually cares
> and thus we shouldn't spend the time to build a whole infrastructure
> to preserve the driver state across the low power mode.  Those people
> who really do care can just disable the power management with a
> modprobe option.
>
> Devin
>
>   
Devin:

I care and I love the infrastructure that has been created.  However, it 
seems as though there are devices that do not conform to the paradigm or 
maybe they are not truly in "low power" mode.  My guess is the latter 
otherwise there would be a flurry of complaints.

Best Regards,

-- 
Rob Krakora
Senior Software Engineer
MessageNet Systems
101 East Carmel Dr. Suite 105
Carmel, IN 46032
(317)566-1677 Ext. 206
(317)663-0808 Fax

  reply	other threads:[~2009-06-26 19:56 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2009-06-26  3:04 Bah! How do I change channels? George Adams
2009-06-26 11:50 ` Andy Walls
2009-06-26 13:42   ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-26 17:19     ` Robert Krakora
2009-06-26 17:23       ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-26 17:28         ` Robert Krakora
2009-06-26 17:32           ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-26 18:15             ` Robert Vincent Krakora
2009-06-26 18:34         ` Andy Walls
2009-06-26 18:47           ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-26 19:02             ` Andy Walls
2009-06-26 19:29               ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-26 19:56                 ` Robert Vincent Krakora [this message]
2009-06-26 20:33                   ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-26 20:34                 ` Andy Walls
2009-06-27  4:25     ` George Adams
2009-06-27 21:57       ` Robert Krakora
2009-06-28  0:17         ` Andy Walls
2009-06-28  1:24           ` Devin Heitmueller
2009-06-28  1:39       ` hermann pitton
2009-06-28  2:36         ` George Adams
2009-06-28  3:53           ` hermann pitton
2009-06-29  1:19             ` hermann pitton

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