Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Kaya Saman]

Hi,

I hope I'm in the right place!!

I have a Hauppauge WinTV usb 1.1 tuner but I don't seem to be able to 
get it working.

I am running Kubuntu 9.04 64-bit edition.

The tuner detects in the kernel as:
Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0573:4d22 Zoran Co. Personal Media Division 
(Nogatech) Hauppauge WinTV-USB II (PAL) Model 566

Using the USBVision driver.

In the kernel using dmesg the tuner is detected as a WinTV Pro??

I have tried various apps to watch tv including tvtime, xawtv, and Zapping.

Running tvtime-scanner gives this output:

Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
Reading configuration from /home/kaya/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
Scanning using TV standard PAL.
/home/kaya/.tvtime/stationlist.xml: No existing PAL station list "Custom".

   Your capture card driver: USBVision [Hauppauge WinTV USB Pro (PAL 
I)/6-2/2313]
   does not support full size studio-quality images required by tvtime.
   This is true for many low-quality webcams.  Please select a
   different video device for tvtime to use with the command line
   option --device.

And xawtv and zapping seg fault each time I run them....??

I have an ancient Hauppauge WinTV/Radio PCI card which uses the bttv 
driver and xawtv works fine on it so I'm not sure why this one isn't 
working.

Can anyone help at all or suggest something??

Many thanks,

Kaya

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Kaya Saman<SamanKaya@netscape.net> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I hope I'm in the right place!!
>
> I have a Hauppauge WinTV usb 1.1 tuner but I don't seem to be able to get it
> working.
>
> I am running Kubuntu 9.04 64-bit edition.
>
> The tuner detects in the kernel as:
> Bus 006 Device 002: ID 0573:4d22 Zoran Co. Personal Media Division
> (Nogatech) Hauppauge WinTV-USB II (PAL) Model 566
>
> Using the USBVision driver.
>
> In the kernel using dmesg the tuner is detected as a WinTV Pro??
>
> I have tried various apps to watch tv including tvtime, xawtv, and Zapping.
>
> Running tvtime-scanner gives this output:
>
> Reading configuration from /etc/tvtime/tvtime.xml
> Reading configuration from /home/kaya/.tvtime/tvtime.xml
> Scanning using TV standard PAL.
> /home/kaya/.tvtime/stationlist.xml: No existing PAL station list "Custom".
>
>  Your capture card driver: USBVision [Hauppauge WinTV USB Pro (PAL
> I)/6-2/2313]
>  does not support full size studio-quality images required by tvtime.
>  This is true for many low-quality webcams.  Please select a
>  different video device for tvtime to use with the command line
>  option --device.
>
> And xawtv and zapping seg fault each time I run them....??
>
> I have an ancient Hauppauge WinTV/Radio PCI card which uses the bttv driver
> and xawtv works fine on it so I'm not sure why this one isn't working.
>
> Can anyone help at all or suggest something??
>
> Many thanks,
>
> Kaya

I can indeed confirm what you are seeing.  I tried out the device a
few months ago and hit the same results. The maximum capture
resolution is 320x200 so it won't work for tvtime, and I did hit
intermittent segfaults with other apps.

Note that zapping will not work since the device does not have an
onboard tuner.  It only has composite and s-video inputs.

The chipset in question does have support for 640x480, but the driver
never had the support added.  The device is pretty ancient so I didn't
have the time to invest in cleaning up all the bugs I found (and newer
USB2 based devices are so cheap I didn't think it was worth the
effort).

Devin

-- 
Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs
http://www.kernellabs.com

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Kaya Saman]

I can indeed confirm what you are seeing. I tried out the device a
> few months ago and hit the same results. The maximum capture
> resolution is 320x200 so it won't work for tvtime, and I did hit
> intermittent segfaults with other apps.
>
> Note that zapping will not work since the device does not have an
> onboard tuner.  It only has composite and s-video inputs.
>
> The chipset in question does have support for 640x480, but the driver
> never had the support added.  The device is pretty ancient so I didn't
> have the time to invest in cleaning up all the bugs I found (and newer
> USB2 based devices are so cheap I didn't think it was worth the
> effort).
>
> Devin
>
>   
Hmm, ok that makes sense.

When you say that the device doesn't have an onboard tuner you mean that 
the machine that it's attached to does the tuning? My card has S-Video, 
RCA and Co-Ax inputs....

I think to be honest about the newer models that they are priced 
similarly?? I just checked dabs.com since I am in UK and they are round 
£50-70 which is what I paid for mine, although the £75 I did pay was 
only because I got it at the very expensive shop on my university campus 
back then!

Kaya

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 9:15 AM, Kaya Saman<SamanKaya@netscape.net> wrote:
> When you say that the device doesn't have an onboard tuner you mean that the
> machine that it's attached to does the tuning? My card has S-Video, RCA and
> Co-Ax inputs....
>

I thought you are talking about this product (which doesn't have a coax input):

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/data_usblive.html

> I think to be honest about the newer models that they are priced similarly??
> I just checked dabs.com since I am in UK and they are round £50-70 which is
> what I paid for mine, although the £75 I did pay was only because I got it
> at the very expensive shop on my university campus back then!

Most of the newer products either are analog/digital hybrid and have
support for DVB-T, or they have onboard MPEG encoders, which is why
the price is the same or higher.

Which product are you actually referring to?  Can you send a link?

Devin

-- 
Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs
http://www.kernellabs.com

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Kaya Saman]

Hi Devin,

sorry for the late reply had to go out to pick up some groceries!

the link is here: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_usb.html

It's the WinTV USB which has USB1.1 compliency and 640x480 res for tv 
watching although can do full screen on it.

Pre WinTV USB2 model :-)

-- Kaya

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Devin Heitmueller]

On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Kaya
Saman<kaya.saman@ferrari3200.optiplex-networks.com> wrote:
> Hi Devin,
>
> sorry for the late reply had to go out to pick up some groceries!
>
> the link is here: http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_usb.html
>
> It's the WinTV USB which has USB1.1 compliency and 640x480 res for tv
> watching although can do full screen on it.
>
> Pre WinTV USB2 model :-)

Ok, so it is indeed very similar to the USB-live, but with a coax
input I guess.  Well, what I said before still applies - the 640x480
support was never added to the Linux driver for the usbvision chipset,
and it doesn't surprise me that the driver performs poorly for you as
it did for me with the USB-live.

The driver overall is a mess and I don't foresee anybody spending the
cycles to clean it up.  Unless you can find someone willing to do the
work I would suggest just getting a newer product.

Devin

-- 
Devin J. Heitmueller - Kernel Labs
http://www.kernellabs.com

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Kaya Saman]

>
> Ok, so it is indeed very similar to the USB-live, but with a coax
> input I guess.  Well, what I said before still applies - the 640x480
> support was never added to the Linux driver for the usbvision chipset,
> and it doesn't surprise me that the driver performs poorly for you as
> it did for me with the USB-live.
>
> The driver overall is a mess and I don't foresee anybody spending the
> cycles to clean it up.  Unless you can find someone willing to do the
> work I would suggest just getting a newer product.
>
> Devin
>
>   

Sorry Devin I sent from the wrong account!!

Anyhow, it is actually a TV Tuner but I guess the resolution restricts it.

What would you suggest as a replacement product for it??

Basically what I need is for it to work globally in compatibility with 
all analog terrestrial streams and also digital and cable too.

The reason for this is I do some traveling at the moment bouncing back 
and forth between UK and Turkey which I think Turkey is PAL BETA if I'm 
not mistaken and  also since they don't have any digital broadcasting as 
of yet. They mainly use cable and satellite which they call digital for 
some strange reason??

Also since I'm done now with my studies and am looking for a job it 
could mean that it will take me round the world, at least if the offer 
of UNIX admin comes through for me I could find myself in very exotic 
places and would be good to have compatibility with that too....

I was thinking of going for something like the Hauppauge WinTV HVR 900 
HD-ready Stick but not sure what the support is or if it is able to do 
what I need from it?? Also being HD ready does this mean it can handle 
HD digital broadcasts??

I have heard good things about the WinTV Nova card again from Hauppauge 
but I think that is only digital TV not analog and won't achieve the 
results I'm looking for....

--Kaya

Re: Hauppauge WinTV usb 1 not working?

[Kaya Saman]

It's the top picture/model from this link:

http://www.hauppauge.com/site/support/support_main_usb.html