ML delivery failures

ML delivery failures

[Steven Toth]

Hi,

I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use 
thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.

If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail 
interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the 
message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus 
rejected.

It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about 
the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.

I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.

Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?

Comments / feedback appreciated.

Regards,

-- 
Steven Toth - Kernel Labs
http://www.kernellabs.com

Re: ML delivery failures

[Mauro Carvalho Chehab]

Em Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:20:02 -0400
Steven Toth <stoth@kernellabs.com> escreveu:

> Hi,
> 
> I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use 
> thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.
> 
> If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail 
> interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the 
> message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus 
> rejected.
> 
> It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about 
> the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.
> 
> I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.
> 
> Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?
> 
> Comments / feedback appreciated.

Hi Stoth,

As you know, vger has several ways to protect the mailing list against spam,
and, considering the amount of spam we receive here and at LKML, they are quite
effective. There are very low spam traffic there.

I don't know what mechanisms they used there to solve this, but for sure they
deny html posts. This is a recommended measure from security POV, since html
emails can be used for several bad things including scam, especially when those
emails are mirrored on some websites, since they can include some arbitrary code
(asp/java/javascript) inside, that can do evil things for those who read such
emails.

I dunno if is there any way to disable html emails at gmail's web interface. In
my case, when I use my gmail account, I always do it via an imap/smtp client, using
the gmail server as a smtp smart relay. This way, the email will be sent as a
pure text email as expected.

Cheers,
Mauro

Re: ML delivery failures

[Randy Dunlap]

On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:20:02 -0400 Steven Toth wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use
> thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.
>
> If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail
> interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the
> message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus
> rejected.
>
> It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about
> the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.
>
> I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.

In a compose window, just below "Attach a file", click on
"Plain text".  [testing:  sent from gmail like that]

> Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?
>
> Comments / feedback appreciated.


---
~Randy
LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/

Re: ML delivery failures

[Michael Krufky]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Randy Dunlap<randy.dunlap@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:20:02 -0400 Steven Toth wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use
>> thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.
>>
>> If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail
>> interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the
>> message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus
>> rejected.
>>
>> It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about
>> the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.
>>
>> I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.
>
> In a compose window, just below "Attach a file", click on
> "Plain text".  [testing:  sent from gmail like that]
>
>> Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?
>>
>> Comments / feedback appreciated.
>
>
> ---
> ~Randy
> LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/

At this point, I use *only* gmail to respond to mailing list posts.

Steve, I have the same problem that you are complaining about when I
use the kernellabs / gmail interface.  It's probably some issue with
google labs.  My regular gmail account works fine -- I just change the
reply-to to my kernellabs email account.

-Mike

Re: ML delivery failures

[H. Willstrand]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Michael Krufky<mkrufky@kernellabs.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Randy Dunlap<randy.dunlap@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:20:02 -0400 Steven Toth wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use
>>> thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.
>>>
>>> If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail
>>> interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the
>>> message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus
>>> rejected.
>>>
>>> It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about
>>> the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.
>>>
>>> I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.
>>
>> In a compose window, just below "Attach a file", click on
>> "Plain text".  [testing:  sent from gmail like that]
>>
>>> Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?
>>>
>>> Comments / feedback appreciated.
>>
>>
>> ---
>> ~Randy
>> LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
>> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/
>
> At this point, I use *only* gmail to respond to mailing list posts.
>
> Steve, I have the same problem that you are complaining about when I
> use the kernellabs / gmail interface.  It's probably some issue with
> google labs.  My regular gmail account works fine -- I just change the
> reply-to to my kernellabs email account.
>
> -Mike
> --
> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in
> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>

In gmail, go to settings, choose tab General, and click on: "Use
default text encoding for outgoing messages"

//HW

Re: ML delivery failures

[Michael Krufky]

On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM, H. Willstrand<h.willstrand@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Michael Krufky<mkrufky@kernellabs.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Randy Dunlap<randy.dunlap@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:20:02 -0400 Steven Toth wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use
>>>> thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.
>>>>
>>>> If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail
>>>> interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the
>>>> message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus
>>>> rejected.
>>>>
>>>> It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about
>>>> the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.
>>>>
>>>> I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.
>>>
>>> In a compose window, just below "Attach a file", click on
>>> "Plain text".  [testing:  sent from gmail like that]
>>>
>>>> Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?
>>>>
>>>> Comments / feedback appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>> ---
>>> ~Randy
>>> LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
>>> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/
>>
>> At this point, I use *only* gmail to respond to mailing list posts.
>>
>> Steve, I have the same problem that you are complaining about when I
>> use the kernellabs / gmail interface.  It's probably some issue with
>> google labs.  My regular gmail account works fine -- I just change the
>> reply-to to my kernellabs email account.
>>
>> -Mike
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in
>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>
>
> In gmail, go to settings, choose tab General, and click on: "Use
> default text encoding for outgoing messages"
>
> //HW
>

I already have that setting enabled.  I think that was the default,
actually.  I'm replying from my kernellabs interface right now, lets
see if the list bounces it.

-Mike

Re: ML delivery failures

[Peter Brouwer]

Michael Krufky wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 1:37 PM, H. Willstrand<h.willstrand@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 6:52 PM, Michael Krufky<mkrufky@kernellabs.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, Sep 7, 2009 at 12:35 PM, Randy Dunlap<randy.dunlap@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 07 Sep 2009 09:20:02 -0400 Steven Toth wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have the traffic from this list going to a gmail account. I normally use
>>>>> thunderbird to respond to emails and never have issues posting to the ML.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I'm away from thunderbird and try to respond via the google apps gmail
>>>>> interface my mails always get bounced from vger's mail daemon, claiming that the
>>>>> message has a html sub-part, and is considered spam or an outlook virus - thus
>>>>> rejected.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's happened a few times, again today when responding to Simon's comment about
>>>>> the relationship between the 716x and the 7162 driver.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see any obvious 'use-non-html' formatting setting in gmail.
>>>> In a compose window, just below "Attach a file", click on
>>>> "Plain text".  [testing:  sent from gmail like that]
>>>>
>>>>> Perhaps someone else has seen this issue or knows of a workaround?
>>>>>
>>>>> Comments / feedback appreciated.
>>>>
>>>> ---
>>>> ~Randy
>>>> LPC 2009, Sept. 23-25, Portland, Oregon
>>>> http://linuxplumbersconf.org/2009/
>>> At this point, I use *only* gmail to respond to mailing list posts.
>>>
>>> Steve, I have the same problem that you are complaining about when I
>>> use the kernellabs / gmail interface.  It's probably some issue with
>>> google labs.  My regular gmail account works fine -- I just change the
>>> reply-to to my kernellabs email account.
>>>
>>> -Mike
>>> --
>>> To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-media" in
>>> the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org
>>> More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html
>>>
>> In gmail, go to settings, choose tab General, and click on: "Use
>> default text encoding for outgoing messages"
>>
>> //HW
>>
> 
> I already have that setting enabled.  I think that was the default,
> actually.  I'm replying from my kernellabs interface right now, lets
> see if the list bounces it.

I noticed that the mail handler of the alias does not seem to like gmail.com, I 
use googlemail.com for my e-mail address.

Peter
> 
> -Mike
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