TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Another Sillyname]

Guys

The TBS 6920 PCI-e card is in the Wiki and is a supported card.

The TBS 6980 dual tuner PCI-e card is not in the Wiki at all, is there
a reason for this given they have released a non GPL blob at least?

Also is there a reason that an indicative price for supported cards is
not shown in the wiki?  It would save a load of time rather then
having to search on each card only to find out it's ridiculously
priced at $1000.

Thanks

Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Konstantin Dimitrov]

hello, i can't comment on your questions about the Wiki, but i made
the driver for TBS 6980 and i can ensure you that the driver will be
released as open-source under GPL as soon as i have permission to do
that, but compared to other cards at least even at the moment you can
use the card in Linux and it's very easy to add support for it using
the binary modules even to the latest V4L code from repository and so
those "blobs" are actually not so big limitation.

also, you are very wrong about the price - as far as i know retails
price is less than 200 USD, for example TBS online shop gives a price
of 158.99 USD:

http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html

and i believe the dual DVB-S2 card with price of 1000 USD that you're
talking about is the NetUP one and not the TurboSight TBS 6980 dual
DVB-S2 card.

--konstantin

On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 5:16 AM, Another Sillyname
<anothersname@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Guys
>
> The TBS 6920 PCI-e card is in the Wiki and is a supported card.
>
> The TBS 6980 dual tuner PCI-e card is not in the Wiki at all, is there
> a reason for this given they have released a non GPL blob at least?
>
> Also is there a reason that an indicative price for supported cards is
> not shown in the wiki?  It would save a load of time rather then
> having to search on each card only to find out it's ridiculously
> priced at $1000.
>
> Thanks
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Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Davor Emard]

> hello, i can't comment on your questions about the Wiki, but i made
> the driver for TBS 6980 and i can ensure you that the driver will be
> released as open-source under GPL as soon as i have permission to do
> that, but compared to other cards at least even at the moment you can

Does this card need some firmware (and if it needs is it open or closed 
source)

Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Emmanuel]

Konstantin Dimitrov a écrit :
> hello, i can't comment on your questions about the Wiki, but i made
> the driver for TBS 6980 and i can ensure you that the driver will be
> released as open-source under GPL as soon as i have permission to do
> that, but compared to other cards at least even at the moment you can
> use the card in Linux and it's very easy to add support for it using
> the binary modules even to the latest V4L code from repository and so
> those "blobs" are actually not so big limitation.
>
> also, you are very wrong about the price - as far as i know retails
> price is less than 200 USD, for example TBS online shop gives a price
> of 158.99 USD:
>
> http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html
>
> and i believe the dual DVB-S2 card with price of 1000 USD that you're
> talking about is the NetUP one and not the TurboSight TBS 6980 dual
> DVB-S2 card.
>   
I have two questions for you: do these board support (or will support in 
the near future) a CI interface for pay TV, and what is the best symbol 
rate they can achieve in DVB-S2 (I think I need QPSK only but could be 
8PSK) RELIABLY.
TIA
Bye
Manu

Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Konstantin Dimitrov]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Emmanuel <eallaud@gmail.com> wrote:
> Konstantin Dimitrov a écrit :
>>
>> hello, i can't comment on your questions about the Wiki, but i made
>> the driver for TBS 6980 and i can ensure you that the driver will be
>> released as open-source under GPL as soon as i have permission to do
>> that, but compared to other cards at least even at the moment you can
>> use the card in Linux and it's very easy to add support for it using
>> the binary modules even to the latest V4L code from repository and so
>> those "blobs" are actually not so big limitation.
>>
>> also, you are very wrong about the price - as far as i know retails
>> price is less than 200 USD, for example TBS online shop gives a price
>> of 158.99 USD:
>>
>> http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html
>>
>> and i believe the dual DVB-S2 card with price of 1000 USD that you're
>> talking about is the NetUP one and not the TurboSight TBS 6980 dual
>> DVB-S2 card.
>>
>
> I have two questions for you: do these board support (or will support in the
> near future) a CI interface for pay TV, and what is the best symbol rate
> they can achieve in DVB-S2 (I think I need QPSK only but could be 8PSK)

TBS 6980 specifications are:

DVB-S QPKS: 1000 - 45000 kSps

DVB-S2 QPSK and 8PSK: 2000 - 36000 kSps

but i personally have tested DVB-S2 8PSK up to 33500 kSps and it works
fine. so, DVB-S2 symbol rate range is still better than what most
other cards can offer i believe, which usually support 10000 - 30000
kSps for DVB-S2. TBS are developing card that will support 1000 -
45000 kSps for DVB-S2 (both QPSK and 8PSK), but i believe it won't be
released any time soon.

> RELIABLY.
> TIA
> Bye
> Manu
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Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Emmanuel]

Konstantin Dimitrov a écrit :
>
>
> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Emmanuel <eallaud@gmail.com 
> <mailto:eallaud@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Konstantin Dimitrov a écrit :
>
>         hello, i can't comment on your questions about the Wiki, but i
>         made
>         the driver for TBS 6980 and i can ensure you that the driver
>         will be
>         released as open-source under GPL as soon as i have permission
>         to do
>         that, but compared to other cards at least even at the moment
>         you can
>         use the card in Linux and it's very easy to add support for it
>         using
>         the binary modules even to the latest V4L code from repository
>         and so
>         those "blobs" are actually not so big limitation.
>
>         also, you are very wrong about the price - as far as i know
>         retails
>         price is less than 200 USD, for example TBS online shop gives
>         a price
>         of 158.99 USD:
>
>         http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html
>
>         and i believe the dual DVB-S2 card with price of 1000 USD that
>         you're
>         talking about is the NetUP one and not the TurboSight TBS 6980
>         dual
>         DVB-S2 card.
>          
>
>     I have two questions for you: do these board support (or will
>     support in the near future) a CI interface for pay TV, and what is
>     the best symbol rate they can achieve in DVB-S2 (I think I need
>     QPSK only but could be 8PSK) RELIABLY.
>
>
> TBS 6980 specifications are:
>
> DVB-S QPKS: 1000 - 45000 kSps
>
> DVB-S2 QPSK and 8PSK: 2000 - 36000 kSps
>
> but i personally have tested DVB-S2 8PSK up to 33500 kSps and it works 
> fine. so, DVB-S2 symbol rate range is still better than what most 
> other cards can offer i believe, which usually support 10000 - 30000 
> kSps for DVB-S2. TBS are developing card that will support 1000 - 
> 45000 kSps for DVB-S2 (both QPSK and 8PSK), but i believe it won't be 
> released any time soon.
OK Thansks. I am interested in a DVB-S2 card able to tune to 45000kSps 
rate with CI support (yes my provider here did things so that it is hard 
to get rid of their STB :( )
The only one for now are the cards based upon stv0900 like the mystique 
satix, but I am not sure about the driver supporting CI.
Bye
Manu

Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[Konstantin Dimitrov]

On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 6:22 AM, Emmanuel <eallaud@gmail.com> wrote:
> Konstantin Dimitrov a écrit :
>>
>>
>> On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 5:05 AM, Emmanuel <eallaud@gmail.com
>> <mailto:eallaud@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>    Konstantin Dimitrov a écrit :
>>
>>        hello, i can't comment on your questions about the Wiki, but i
>>        made
>>        the driver for TBS 6980 and i can ensure you that the driver
>>        will be
>>        released as open-source under GPL as soon as i have permission
>>        to do
>>        that, but compared to other cards at least even at the moment
>>        you can
>>        use the card in Linux and it's very easy to add support for it
>>        using
>>        the binary modules even to the latest V4L code from repository
>>        and so
>>        those "blobs" are actually not so big limitation.
>>
>>        also, you are very wrong about the price - as far as i know
>>        retails
>>        price is less than 200 USD, for example TBS online shop gives
>>        a price
>>        of 158.99 USD:
>>
>>        http://www.buydvb.net/pcie-dvbs2-dual-tuner-tv-card_p11.html
>>
>>        and i believe the dual DVB-S2 card with price of 1000 USD that
>>        you're
>>        talking about is the NetUP one and not the TurboSight TBS 6980
>>        dual
>>        DVB-S2 card.
>>
>>    I have two questions for you: do these board support (or will
>>    support in the near future) a CI interface for pay TV, and what is
>>    the best symbol rate they can achieve in DVB-S2 (I think I need
>>    QPSK only but could be 8PSK) RELIABLY.
>>
>>
>> TBS 6980 specifications are:
>>
>> DVB-S QPKS: 1000 - 45000 kSps
>>
>> DVB-S2 QPSK and 8PSK: 2000 - 36000 kSps
>>
>> but i personally have tested DVB-S2 8PSK up to 33500 kSps and it works
>> fine. so, DVB-S2 symbol rate range is still better than what most other
>> cards can offer i believe, which usually support 10000 - 30000 kSps for
>> DVB-S2. TBS are developing card that will support 1000 - 45000 kSps for
>> DVB-S2 (both QPSK and 8PSK), but i believe it won't be released any time
>> soon.
>
> OK Thansks. I am interested in a DVB-S2 card able to tune to 45000kSps rate
> with CI support (yes my provider here did things so that it is hard to get
> rid of their STB :( )
> The only one for now are the cards based upon stv0900 like the mystique

i believe stv0900 doesn't support DVB-S2 with symbol rate over 30000
kSps, but maybe some of the people here familiar with stv0900 can tell
more and for sure what are the specifications of stv0900.

> satix, but I am not sure about the driver supporting CI.
> Bye
> Manu
>

Re: TBS 6980 Dual Tuner PCI-e card.....not in Wiki at all?

[CityK]

Another Sillyname wrote:
> Guys
>
> The TBS 6920 PCI-e card is in the Wiki and is a supported card.
>
> The TBS 6980 dual tuner PCI-e card is not in the Wiki at all, is there
> a reason for this given they have released a non GPL blob at least?
>   

Because the wiki relies upon user contributions.  No contributions, no
information.  Simple as that.


> Also is there a reason that an indicative price for supported cards is
> not shown in the wiki?  It would save a load of time rather then
> having to search on each card only to find out it's ridiculously
> priced at $1000.

I for one am not particularly keen on inclusion of prices because:
- prices are highly subject to temporal variance (i.e. what costs $150
now could be $80 in six months)
- prices are often highly variant across broad geographical regions
(i.e. what costs $70US in America could, after accounting for exchange
rates, cost an equivalent of $100US within Canada)
- prices are often highly variant within local geographical markets (i.e
what costs $99 at the local big box Bestbuy store could easily cost $79
at the local mom&pop computer store)
- prices require regular updating/maintenance in order for them to be in
any way "indicative" ... the wiki relies upon user contributions ...
ergo, I can already tell you in advance that its not going to happen
(because its a time consuming endeavour, and there is no critical mass
of contributors to keep the information relevant), and so, any original
submissions will inevitably just end up suffering information rot (and,
thus, end up not being indicative or of particular use for the end user).