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From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Laurent Pinchart <laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>
Cc: Sylwester Nawrocki <snjw23@gmail.com>,
	David Cohen <dacohen@gmail.com>,
	Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>,
	"linux-media@vger.kernel.org" <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
	alsa-devel@alsa-project.org,
	Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@retiisi.org.uk>,
	Pawel Osciak <pawel@osciak.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL FOR 2.6.39] Media controller and OMAP3 ISP driver
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2011 08:50:28 -0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <4D74C684.7090507@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201103061821.31705.laurent.pinchart@ideasonboard.com>

Em 06-03-2011 14:21, Laurent Pinchart escreveu:
> Hi Mauro,
> 
> On Sunday 06 March 2011 14:32:44 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 06-03-2011 08:38, Laurent Pinchart escreveu:
>>> On Sunday 06 March 2011 11:56:04 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>>>> Em 05-03-2011 20:23, Sylwester Nawrocki escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> A somewhat unrelated question that occurred to me today: what happens
>>>> when a format change happens while streaming?
>>>>
>>>> Considering that some formats need more bits than others, this could
>>>> lead into buffer overflows, either internally at the device or
>>>> externally, on bridges that just forward whatever it receives to the
>>>> DMA buffers (there are some that just does that). I didn't see anything
>>>> inside the mc code preventing such condition to happen, and probably
>>>> implementing it won't be an easy job. So, one alternative would be to
>>>> require some special CAPS if userspace tries to set the mbus format
>>>> directly, or to recommend userspace to create media controller nodes
>>>> with 0600 permission.
>>>
>>> That's not really a media controller issue. Whether formats can be
>>> changed during streaming is a driver decision. The OMAP3 ISP driver
>>> won't allow formats to be changed during streaming. If the hardware
>>> allows for such format changes, drivers can implement support for that
>>> and make sure that no buffer overflow will occur.
>>
>> Such issues is caused by having two API's that allow format changes, one
>> that does it device-based, and another one doing it subdev-based.
>>
>> Ok, drivers can implementing locks to prevent such troubles, but, without
>> the core providing a reliable mechanism, it is hard to implement a
>> correct lock.
>>
>> For example, let's suppose that some driver is using mt9m111 subdev (I just
>> picked one random sensor that supports lots of MBUS formats). There's
>> nothing there preventing a subdev call for it to change mbus format while
>> streaming. Worse than that, the sensor driver has no way to block it, as
>> it doesn't know that the bridge driver is streaming or not.
>>
>> The code at subdev_do_ioctl() is just:
>>
>> case VIDIOC_SUBDEV_S_FMT: {
>>         struct v4l2_subdev_format *format = arg;
>>
>>         if (format->which != V4L2_SUBDEV_FORMAT_TRY &&
>>             format->which != V4L2_SUBDEV_FORMAT_ACTIVE)
>>                 return -EINVAL;
>>
>>         if (format->pad >= sd->entity.num_pads)
>>                 return -EINVAL;
>>
>>         return v4l2_subdev_call(sd, pad, set_fmt, subdev_fh, format);
>> }
>>
>> So, mc core won't be preventing it.
>>
>> So, I can't see how such subdev request would be implementing a logic to
>> return -EBUSY on those cases.
> 
> Drivers can use the media_device graph_mutex to serialize format and stream 
> management calls. A finer grain locking mechanism implemented in the core 
> might be better, but we're not stuck without a solution at the moment.

Ok, i see. This is not the best world, as I suspect that developers will
just try to enable media controller for a few devices without taking enough
care to avoid buffer overflows.
While we don't have a better way for doing it, please add a note at the kernel 
api doc saying about that, briefly describing how to properly lock it, because
this is not obvious at all.

Cheers,
Mauro


  reply	other threads:[~2011-03-07 11:50 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2011-02-17 15:06 [GIT PULL FOR 2.6.39] Media controller and OMAP3 ISP driver Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-02 20:13 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-03  9:29   ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-03 10:25   ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-04 19:25     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-05 13:02       ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-05 18:22         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-05 20:48           ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-07 11:57             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-07 12:06               ` David Cohen
2011-03-07 13:38               ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-07 22:04               ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-11 15:40               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-11 15:48                 ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-04 20:10     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-04 20:14       ` David Cohen
2011-03-05 11:52       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-03-05 13:04         ` David Cohen
2011-03-05 14:02           ` Hans Verkuil
2011-03-05 14:29           ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2011-03-05 18:14             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-05 23:23               ` Sylwester Nawrocki
2011-03-06 10:56                 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-06 11:38                   ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-06 13:32                     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-06 17:21                       ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-07 11:50                         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
     [not found]                           ` <201103071302.49323.hansverk@cisco.com>
2011-03-07 13:00                             ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-07 13:04                               ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-07 13:46                               ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-04 20:49     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-04 21:31       ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-05 12:03       ` Hans Verkuil
2011-03-04 22:16 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-04 22:33   ` David Cohen
2011-03-04 22:43     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-04 22:49       ` David Cohen
2011-03-04 23:49         ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-05  0:40           ` David Cohen
2011-03-06  8:34 ` Sakari Ailus
2011-03-06 10:17   ` Laurent Pinchart
2011-03-07 11:56     ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-03-07 12:08       ` Sakari Ailus

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