From: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
To: Hans Verkuil <hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Cc: Sakari Ailus <sakari.ailus@iki.fi>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
Linux Media Mailing List <linux-media@vger.kernel.org>,
Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] [media] v4l2 core: return -ENOIOCTLCMD if an ioctl doesn't exist
Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 12:33:58 -0300 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <4E08A2E6.6020902@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <201106271656.04612.hverkuil@xs4all.nl>
Em 27-06-2011 11:56, Hans Verkuil escreveu:
> On Monday, June 27, 2011 15:54:11 Mauro Carvalho Chehab wrote:
>> Em 27-06-2011 09:17, Hans Verkuil escreveu:
>>> While we don't have an enum capability, in many cases you can deduce
>>> whether a particular ioctl should be supported or not. Usually based on
>>> capabilities, sometimes because certain ioctls allow 'NOP' operations that
>>> allow you to test for their presence.
>>>
>>> Of course, drivers are not always consistent here, but that's a separate
>>> problem.
>>
>> Any "hint" code that would try to do some NOP operations may fail. One of the
>> reasons is that such hint is not documented. Yet, I don't officially support
>> such "hint" methods at the API.
>
> The point is that the spec can easily be improved to make such 'NOP' operations
> explicit, or to require that if a capability is present, then the corresponding
> ioctl(s) must also be present. Things like that are easy to verify as well with
> v4l2-compliance.
We currently have more than 64 ioctl's. Adding a capability bit for each doesn't
seem the right thing to do. Ok, some could be grouped, but, even so, there are
drivers that implement the VIDIOC_G, but doesn't implement the corresponding VIDIO_S.
So, I think we don't have enough available bits for doing that.
>> Btw, there are two drivers returning -ENOTTY, when the device got disconnected
>> (or firmware were not uploaded).
>>
>> The truth is that the current API specs for return code is bogus.
>
> Bogus in what way? It's been documented very clearly for years. We may not like
> that design decision (I certainly don't like it), but someone clearly thought
> about it at the time.
Bogus in the sense that drivers don't follow them, as they're returning undocumented
values. Any application strictly following it will have troubles.
>> The right thing to do is to create a separate chapter for error codes, based on errno(3)
>> man page, where we document all error codes that should be used by the drivers. Then,
>> at the ioctl pages, link to the common chapter and, only when needed, document special
>> cases where an error code for that specific ioctl has some special meaning.
>
> Great, I've no problem with that. But this particular error code you want to change
> is actually implemented *consistently* in all drivers. There is no confusion, no
> ambiguity, and it is according to the spec.
As I said, from userspace perspective, it is not consistent to assume that EINVAL means
not implemented. For sure at VIDIOC_S_foo, this is not consistent. Even on some GET types
of ioctl, like for example [1][2], there are other reasons for an EINVAL return.
[1] http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/vidioc-cropcap.html
[2] http://linuxtv.org/downloads/v4l-dvb-apis/vidioc-g-audio.html
The only way to make it consistent is to use different return codes for "invalid parameters"
and for "unsupported ioctl".
>> I ran a script here to check how many different error codes are used inside drivers/media:
>>
>> $ find drivers/media -type f -name '*.[ch]' >files
>> $ grep define `find . -name errno*.h`|perl -ne 'print "$1\n" if (/\#define\s+(E[^\s]+)/)'|sort|uniq >errors
>> $ for i in `cat errors`; do COUNT=$(git grep -c $i `cat files`|wc -l); if [ "$COUNT" != "0" ]; then echo $i $COUNT; fi; done
>>
>> The result is that we're using 53 different types of errors, but the API specs documents
>> only 17 of them. Those are the currently used errors at drivers/media:
>>
>> ERROR CODE |NUMBER OF *.c/*.h FILES USING IT
>> ---------------|--------------------------------
>> E2BIG 1
>> EACCES 8
>> EAGAIN 66
>> EBADF 1
>> EBADFD 1
>> EBADR 2
>> EBADRQC 2
>> EBUSY 149
>> ECHILD 1
>> ECONNRESET 25
>> EDEADLK 1
>> EDOM 1
>> EEXIST 3
>> EFAULT 230
>> EFBIG 1
>> EILSEQ 8
>> EINIT 2
>> EINPROGRESS 6
>> EINTR 21
>> EINVAL 501
>> EIO 305
>> EMFILE 1
>> ENFILE 7
>> ENOBUFS 7
>> ENODATA 4
>> ENODEV 270
>> ENOENT 46
>> ENOIOCTLCMD 31
>> ENOMEM 359
>> ENOSPC 13
>> ENOSR 7
>> ENOSYS 15
>> ENOTSUP 3
>> ENOTSUPP 3
>> ENOTTY 5
>> ENXIO 26
>> EOPNOTSUPP 19
>> EOVERFLOW 14
>> EPERM 47
>> EPIPE 12
>> EPROTO 11
>> ERANGE 25
>> EREMOTE 80
>> EREMOTEIO 80
>> ERESTART 32
>> ERESTARTSYS 32
>> ESHUTDOWN 27
>> ESPIPE 3
>> ETIME 53
>> ETIMEDOUT 37
>> EUSERS 2
>> EWOULDBLOCK 14
>> EXDEV 1
>>
>> I suspect that we'll need to both fix some drivers, and the API, as I bet that
>> the same error conditions are reported differently on different drivers.
>>
>>> I don't think changing such an important return value is acceptable.
>>
>> As I said, the current API is bogus with respect to error codes. Of course,
>> we need to do take care to avoid userspace applications breakage, but we can't
>> use the excuse that it is there for a long time as a reason for not fixing it.
>
> The fact that many drivers use error codes creatively doesn't give us an excuse
> to just change the one error code that is actually used everywhere according to
> the spec! That's faulty logic.
The fix that it is needed is to provide a consistent way for an userspace application
to know for sure when an ioctl is not supported. It can be done on a simple way of
just returning a different error code for it, or with complex mechanisms like adding
a per-ioctl flag and some hint logics based on NOP.
The V4L2 is complex enough for us to add more complexity with hints and cap flags.
Thanks,
Mauro
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2011-06-27 15:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2011-06-24 23:11 [PATCH] [media] v4l2 core: return -ENOIOCTLCMD if an ioctl doesn't exist Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-26 15:40 ` Sakari Ailus
2011-06-26 16:20 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-26 17:13 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-26 17:30 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-26 18:20 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-26 18:51 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-26 19:52 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 5:38 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-27 12:02 ` Sakari Ailus
2011-06-27 12:17 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-27 13:54 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-27 14:56 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-27 15:33 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab [this message]
2011-06-27 16:14 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-27 16:42 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-27 17:07 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-27 20:37 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-27 20:48 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-28 6:04 ` Hans Verkuil
2011-06-28 16:05 ` Linus Torvalds
2011-06-28 16:42 ` Alan Cox
2011-06-28 16:50 ` Arnd Bergmann
2011-06-29 12:34 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
2011-06-27 15:12 ` Andy Walls
2011-06-27 15:24 ` Mauro Carvalho Chehab
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